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The Bottom Eight, Tuesday Mar 03rd 2024

Post by Ginge01 » Wed Mar 06, 2024 1:13 am

The Bottom Eight results were great for the three winners tonight, Southport, Rushall and Darlington. Darlington’s huge 4-0 victory over Scunthorpe in second place was the biggest result of the night, the Quakers are in the bottom four on goal difference only, behind King’s Lynn who did not play.
Rushall Olympic’s big win at Banbury boosted their chances of staying up, making Banbury’s chances harder to survive the drop. Southport’s 3-0 away win at Warrington was huge for them also.
Gloucester did not play and saw three teams pull further away, another loss for Bishop's Stortford.


Tonight’s games for the Bottom Eight, Tuesday Mar 05th 2024

Darlington ........ 4-0 Scunthorpe
Banbury ........... 1-2 Rushall
Bishop’s Stortford 1-4 Chorley
Warrington ....... 0-3 Southport


The Vanarama National League North, Tuesday Mar 05th 2024

.......................... Pd . W D L .. W D L .. F . A .GD..Pts
17 Blyth ............... 36.. 6 6 .5 .. 5 4 10. 52 56. .-4.. 43
18. Southport ........ 36.. 5 3 10 .. 7 3 .8. 41 63. -22.. 42
19. Rushall ............ 36.. 5 5 .7 .. 6 3 10 50 59. .-9.. 41
20. King’s Lynn ....... 36.. 4 7 .7 .. 5 6 .7. 43 55. -12.. 40
21. Darlington ........ 37.. 5 7 .7 .. 6 0 12 38 61.. -23.. 40
22. Banbury ........... 35.. 4 4 .9 .. 6 3 .9. 32 58. -26.. 37
23. Gloucester ........ 36.. 6 3 .9 .. 2 5 11 39 59. -20.. 32
24. Bishop’s Stortford 35.. 4 0 14 .. 1 2 14 31 79. -48.. 17


Comments in current league table order,

Blyth
No game tonight; Southport, Rushall and Darlington all won, Blyth's goal difference of only -4 may save them if tied for points at the end of the year as their gap from the bottom four has now shrunk to three points.

Southport
Warrington 0-3 Southport; Southport scored twice in the first half after 12 and 39 mins, adding a third after 77 mins for a comfortable away win. Southport rise one place into 18th position.

Rushall
Banbury 1-2 Rushall; A huge away victory for Rushall over fellow strugglers Banbury. Rushall took the lead after 16 mins, Banbury equalised in the 45th min. Rushall converted a penalty after 69 mins to close out the scoring. This win lifts Rushall one place into 19th position.

Kings Lynn
No game tonight; King's Lynn fall two places to 20th position because of wins by Southport and Rushall.

Darlington
Darlington 4-0 Scunthorpe; A fabulous night for the Quakers who extended their winning streak to four games beating second place Scunthorpe 4-0. Two goals from Cameron Salkeld after 15 and 45 mins with a goal from Curtis Main after 32 mins completed the first half scoring. Matty Cornish added a fourth after 62 mins to secure the three points. Darlington rise one place to 21st position, tied for 40 points beneath King’s Lynn.

Banbury
Banbury 1-2 Rushall; Banbury has now lost five straight games, losing tonight to Rushall who are also trying to avoid the relegation drop. Banbury fell behind twice, the first time after 16 mins but managed to tie the game just before half time. They fell behind again after 69 mins but were not able to score again, going down to a 1-2 home loss. Banbury fall one place to 22nd position.

Gloucester
No game tonight; Gloucester could only watch and see Southport, Rushall and Darlington all won, Gloucester remain eight points from safety.

Bishop’s Stortford
Bishop’s Stortford 1-4 Chorley; Bishop’s pointless 2024 continues with another defeat despite them leading this time after 7 mins. Chorley responded with two first half goals after 24 and 33 mins, and two more in the second half after 69 and 74 mins.


Gloucester remain in 23rd position, Banbury now have five straight losses and drop to 22nd position, their outlook is becoming bleaker with each loss.
At this time of year, with managerial shakeups, new players possibly brought in, teams sometimes begin playing like playoff bound teams.
King’s Lynn’s and Darlington’s current form give that impression, King’s Lynn with 11 points from their last five games, Darlington with 12 points. Both Southport and Rushall are 2-1-2 over their last five games, 7 points each, just over 1 point per game.

If these four teams can keep anything close to this form, Blyth at 43 points with 2 from the last 15 points could be passed by all of them. With tonight’s results, after JE93 pointed it out over this past weekend, this post can be expanded to include Blyth and become the Bottom Eight.
Blyth have to play King’s Lynn currently 20th (h), Darlington 21st (h), Southport 18th (a), Peterborough 15th (a), Curzon Ashton 8th (h), Chorley 3rd (a), Rushall 19th (h), Buxton 14th (h), Scunthorpe 2nd (a), Brackley 5th (h). Blyth have four games against teams below them where they could make themselves safe, if they lose some of those, their last two games would be brutal games to have to win to stay up.


Who goes down prediction? The bottom four sequence at the end of the season
Blyth or Rushall, I can’t pick between them at this time, Saturday April 6th Blyth vs Rushall could decide their fate.
Banbury, Gloucester and Bishop’s Stortford


This week’s games

09/03 Saturday
Banbury ........... vs Southport
Bishop’s Stortford vs Scunthorpe
Blyth ............... vs King’s Lynn
Gloucester ........ vs Boston
Rushall ............. vs Buxton
Spennymoor ....... vs Darlington

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Re: The Bottom Eight, Tuesday Mar 03rd 2024

Post by LMQuaker » Wed Mar 06, 2024 7:37 am

Could have done with other results going our way last night but that's out of our control so all we can do is keep winning our games and hopefully the rest will take care of itself.

Avoid a loss on Saturday and then hopefully beat Blyth and Rushall and I will finally start to properly believe.

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Re: The Bottom Eight, Tuesday Mar 03rd 2024

Post by theoriginalfatcat » Wed Mar 06, 2024 7:59 am

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Re: The Bottom Eight, Tuesday Mar 03rd 2024

Post by theoriginalfatcat » Wed Mar 06, 2024 10:44 am

The way things are going think Farsley could get sucked in to this battle.
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Re: The Bottom Eight, Tuesday Mar 03rd 2024

Post by PierremontQuaker03 » Wed Mar 06, 2024 10:55 am

Things can change quickly but Gloucester look gone, and Banbury, if they lose to Southport look almost gone as well. That means in a couple of weeks it might just be that final relegation place to avoid. Blyth are tanking and we could really stick the knife in next week by taking three points from them. The massive thing is now we are in a fighting chance. A few weeks ago we were where Gloucester are now, almost looking doomed. However, the hard work starts here, every game is massive now and we need to keep this run going for as long as possible.
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Re: The Bottom Eight, Tuesday Mar 03rd 2024

Post by LoidLucan » Wed Mar 06, 2024 11:18 am

Before the game I think most would have taken a point last night and a point from the Spenny game. Last night's surprise put us ahead of that points haul and whatever Spenny's form they will know they've been in a game.

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Re: The Bottom Eight, Tuesday Mar 03rd 2024

Post by JE93 » Wed Mar 06, 2024 12:47 pm

Rolling forward from the previous thread, realised I was probably being a little kind to Kings Lynn who are definitely still in this fight so have added them in:

Blyth: played 36, gd -4, pts 43
Fixtures remaining: Kings Lynn 20th (h), Darlo 21st (h), Southport 18th (a), Peterborough 15th (a), Curzon Ashton 8th (h), Chorley 3rd (a), Rushall Olympic 19th (h), Buxton 14th (h), Scunthorpe 2nd (a) and Brackley 5th (h)
L10games PPG: 0.6 (projected 49pts)
Average position of remaining opponents: 12.5

Southport: played 36, gd -22, pts 42
Fixtures remaining: Banbury 22nd (a), Chester 4th (a), Blyth 17th (h), Buxton 14th (h), Bishops Stortford 24th (h), Farsley 16th (a), Scunthorpe 2nd (h), Darlo 21st (a), Rushall 19th (h), South Shields 12th (a)
L10games PPG: 1.3 (projected 55pts)
Average position of remaining opponents: 15.1

Rushall: played 36, gd -9, pts 41
Fixtures remaining: Buxton 14th (h), Brackley 5th (h), Kings Lynn 20th (a), Darlo 21st (h), Alfreton 7th (a), Boston 9th (h), Blyth 17th (a), Bishops Stortford 24th (h), Southport 18th (h), Warrington 10th (a)
L10games PPG: 1.4 (projected 55pts)
Average position of remaining opponents: 14.5

Kings Lynn: played 36, gd -12, pts 40
Fixtures remaining: Blyth 17th (a), Bishop Stortford 24th (a), Rushall 19th (h), Tamworth 1st (h), Scunthorpe 2nd (a), Scarborough 11th (h), Banbury 22nd (a), Chorley 3rd (h), Peterborough Sports 15th (h), Spennymoor 13th (a)
L10games PPG: 1.4 (projected 54pts)
Average position of remaining opponents: 12.7

Darlington played 37, gd -23, pts 40
Fixtures remaining: Spennymoor 13th (a), Blyth 17th (a), Peterborough 15th (h), Rushall 19th (a), Chorley 3rd (h), Warrington 10th (a), Southport 18th (h), Farsley 16th (h), Chester 4th (a)
L10games PPG: 1.8 (projected 56pts)
Average position of remaining opponents: 12.8

Banbury: played 35, gd -26, pts 37
Fixtures remaining: Southport 18th (h), Boston 9th (h), Scunthorpe 2nd (a), Curzon Ashton 8th (a), Hereford 6th (h), Bishops Stortford 24th (a), Kings Lynn 20th (h), Spennymoor 13th (a), Chorley 3rd (a), Tamworth 1st (h)
L10games PPG: 0.8 (projected 46pts)
Average position of remaining opponents: 9.5

Assumed bottom 4 based on projected points above the relegation spaces would be filled by:
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Blyth
Banbury
Gloucester
Bishop Stortford

Blyth with maybe a season defining 7 days starting on Saturday. Games against Kings Lynn, us and Southport in a row. Take 1 point per game or less from those three results and the alarm bells will surely be ringing. Kings Lynn have a great chance to pull away over the next three games with Blyth Bishop Stortford and Rushall all to play, or alternatively not pick up points and they could put themselves in the mire a little. Banbury seem to be in real trouble now. Poor form and statistically the hardest run in of any of the teams at the bottom.

We remain the outlier in terms of form in those at the bottom, but we will need to keep it that way for a while longer having played a game more than our rivals and with a marginally harder (based on average league position) run in that Southport & Rushall. Based on current PPG we'd get enough points by the end of the season to stay up but as above, much will depend on Blyth's fortunes over the next seven days starting Saturday

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Re: The Bottom Eight, Tuesday Mar 03rd 2024

Post by LoidLucan » Wed Mar 06, 2024 1:18 pm

The Blyth fans have really got the jitters now and are asking when their new "moneyman", with big promises of the Football League, is going to spend a couple of quid to ensure they don't drop down to the NPL.

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Re: The Bottom Eight, Tuesday Mar 03rd 2024

Post by Ginge01 » Wed Mar 06, 2024 3:44 pm

theoriginalfatcat wrote:
Wed Mar 06, 2024 7:59 am
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Oops, I wrote this while still recovering from having the prep work for a dental crown, my gum and brain were both numb at the same time.
And the excitement of watching the game on my laptop.

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Re: The Bottom Eight, Tuesday Mar 03rd 2024

Post by LoidLucan » Fri Mar 08, 2024 7:42 pm

Wonder if this will have some impact on the final outcome...

https://m.facebook.com/story.php/?id=10 ... 2536597619

If you read the comments, it sounds like it could go either way with the work required at Rushall to avoid a ground grading demotion.

They are supposed to build a new seated stand and install new floodlights and turnstiles by the end of this month although leeway has been granted in the past if a club is on with the work and can show the money is in place to finish it.

They've clearly started the work but it sounds like they still have their backs against the wall from financial, logistical, timing and other perspectives. Can't be easy when your crowds are sometimes under 400. Surely though they'd find a way to get it done if they finished above the bottom four.

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Re: The Bottom Eight, Tuesday Mar 03rd 2024

Post by Vodka_Vic » Fri Mar 08, 2024 9:07 pm

I think a lot more leeway is granted now. David Johnston said this after a conversation with Mark Ives, chairman of the National League, who said it wouldn't be a good look if teams were penalised while the financial dip is on. Same happened with Peterborough Sports, who didn't finish the work by March 31st.

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Re: The Bottom Eight, Tuesday Mar 03rd 2024

Post by lo36789 » Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:56 am

It is not up to the league.

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