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Posted: Sun May 23, 2021 1:40 pm
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To be honest Pete I am always happy to see an ex Football League team regain their position as I know how much it means to the fans and I can remember how elated I felt when we achieved it.Darlo_Pete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 6:09 amI'm always pleased when a non-league team gets promoted that has never been in the Football League before.
I disagree Old Git. The artificial pitches may be better than they were but they don't match up to grass. The players don't like playing on them either.Old Git wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 2:19 pmUnfortunately just like Harrogate they will have to rip up there artificial pitch. In this day and age these pitches provide an excellent playing surface and it is crazy that they are not allowed in the EFL. Typical of the short sightedness of the people running the game.
It is funny as most of those same players train on them regularly without issue. Pretty much every academy and training ground in the country have 4G facilities which they use despite the perfect grass pitches also being available.theoriginalfatcat wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 10:29 pmI disagree Old Git. The artificial pitches may be better than they were but they don't match up to grass. The players don't like playing on them either.
To me, by banning artificial pitches the EFL are putting the quality and integrity of the league first, which is not short sighted.
This is the very definition of “projecting”. You don’t like them, therefore you make out everyone else agrees with you.theoriginalfatcat wrote:I disagree Old Git. The artificial pitches may be better than they were but they don't match up to grass. The players don't like playing on them either.Old Git wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 2:19 pmUnfortunately just like Harrogate they will have to rip up there artificial pitch. In this day and age these pitches provide an excellent playing surface and it is crazy that they are not allowed in the EFL. Typical of the short sightedness of the people running the game.
To me, by banning artificial pitches the EFL are putting the quality and integrity of the league first, which is not short sighted.
I am not "projecting" I am not making out "everyone else agrees with me" - I just placed my opinion in reply to Old Git, which I am entitled to do.Darlogramps wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:01 amThis is the very definition of “projecting”. You don’t like them, therefore you make out everyone else agrees with you.theoriginalfatcat wrote:I disagree Old Git. The artificial pitches may be better than they were but they don't match up to grass. The players don't like playing on them either.Old Git wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 2:19 pmUnfortunately just like Harrogate they will have to rip up there artificial pitch. In this day and age these pitches provide an excellent playing surface and it is crazy that they are not allowed in the EFL. Typical of the short sightedness of the people running the game.
To me, by banning artificial pitches the EFL are putting the quality and integrity of the league first, which is not short sighted.
Most pitches higher up the leagues are hybrid in some way shape or form. And as lo points out, players train on 4G or hybrid pitches every day. The likes of Messi and Ronaldo have them installed in their homes!
For me, 4G pitches should be able to be used in the EFL, and all the evidence suggests that in time, that’s what will happen.
To me, disliking 4G pitches because “they’re not as good as grass” is an out-dated point of view that doesn’t factually represent the situation and ignores the benefits modern pitches bring.
And “all the evidence” isn’t ?Darlogramps wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 10:32 pm“The players don’t like them either” is very much projecting, I’m afraid.
I haven’t denied they “split opinion”. My view is those who are critical of them are wrong.theoriginalfatcat wrote:A very quick google search confirms to me that 4G pitches still split opinion. Try it yourself!
“Grass”pitches is an interesting phrase. As stated, most pitches now are turf with some artificial substances added. Hybrid would be a fairer description.theoriginalfatcat wrote: 4G pitches will be improving however grass ones are too, all pitches across all leagues constantly improve.
I mean that’s just generic, pedantic waffle. Can you happily provide some evidence that 4G pitches aren’t improving?theoriginalfatcat wrote: You used the phrase “all the evidence” this is a dangerous phrase to use, as even in the most cut and dry legal cases there is always evidence to the contrary.
This has got to be one of the most stupid statements I’ve ever read on here. I mean it’s extraordinarily dimwitted. Outdated opinion doesn’t mean new is bettertheoriginalfatcat wrote: Further back I think you used the phrase “outdated opinion” this suggests to me that you think any opinion that isn’t new is wrong. I could give you countless examples from history that prove that new opinions aren’t always the best ones.
No I’m not. All you’re doing is trying to parrot an argument back at me because you’re too stupid to provide evidence for an original one yourself. Just simply re-stating my own argument back at me won’t work.theoriginalfatcat wrote: YOU are very much “projecting” I’m afraid.
Darlogramps wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:11 pmI haven’t denied they “split opinion”. My view is those who are critical of them are wrong.theoriginalfatcat wrote:A very quick google search confirms to me that 4G pitches still split opinion. Try it yourself!
“Grass”pitches is an interesting phrase. As stated, most pitches now are turf with some artificial substances added. Hybrid would be a fairer description.theoriginalfatcat wrote: 4G pitches will be improving however grass ones are too, all pitches across all leagues constantly improve.
Granted there’s a difference between a hybrid and a 4G pitch. But you get my point. Technological development happens and it’s a good thing. 4G pitches are simply a part of that, and I see no reason why you vociferously oppose them.
I mean that’s just generic, pedantic waffle. Can you happily provide some evidence that 4G pitches aren’t improving?theoriginalfatcat wrote: You used the phrase “all the evidence” this is a dangerous phrase to use, as even in the most cut and dry legal cases there is always evidence to the contrary.
This has got to be one of the most stupid statements I’ve ever read on here. I mean it’s extraordinarily dimwitted. Outdated opinion doesn’t mean new is bettertheoriginalfatcat wrote: Further back I think you used the phrase “outdated opinion” this suggests to me that you think any opinion that isn’t new is wrong. I could give you countless examples from history that prove that new opinions aren’t always the best ones.
“Outdated opinion” means your opinion is out-of-date because you’re not taking account of new information or developments.
In this context, 4G pitches have made massive improvements and continue to do so. Yet your opinion of them is based on your past experiences of them, say from the 1980s. I know this because we’ve had the 4G pitch debate several times and you’ve stated it previously. You won’t attend matches on 4G pitches, you’ve said previously.
To take that attitude is, in my view, backwards and without any basis.
No I’m not. All you’re doing is trying to parrot an argument back at me because you’re too stupid to provide evidence for an original one yourself. Just simply re-stating my own argument back at me won’t work.theoriginalfatcat wrote: YOU are very much “projecting” I’m afraid.
If I wanted a parrot I’d go to the pet shop.
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I'm not getting drawn in to a long tedious debate on this as we've done it before, and your childish insults just show that you're not as clever as you think you are.Darlogramps wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:11 pmI haven’t denied they “split opinion”. My view is those who are critical of them are wrong.theoriginalfatcat wrote:A very quick google search confirms to me that 4G pitches still split opinion. Try it yourself!
“Grass”pitches is an interesting phrase. As stated, most pitches now are turf with some artificial substances added. Hybrid would be a fairer description.theoriginalfatcat wrote: 4G pitches will be improving however grass ones are too, all pitches across all leagues constantly improve.
Granted there’s a difference between a hybrid and a 4G pitch. But you get my point. Technological development happens and it’s a good thing. 4G pitches are simply a part of that, and I see no reason why you vociferously oppose them.
I mean that’s just generic, pedantic waffle. Can you happily provide some evidence that 4G pitches aren’t improving?theoriginalfatcat wrote: You used the phrase “all the evidence” this is a dangerous phrase to use, as even in the most cut and dry legal cases there is always evidence to the contrary.
This has got to be one of the most stupid statements I’ve ever read on here. I mean it’s extraordinarily dimwitted. Outdated opinion doesn’t mean new is bettertheoriginalfatcat wrote: Further back I think you used the phrase “outdated opinion” this suggests to me that you think any opinion that isn’t new is wrong. I could give you countless examples from history that prove that new opinions aren’t always the best ones.
“Outdated opinion” means your opinion is out-of-date because you’re not taking account of new information or developments.
In this context, 4G pitches have made massive improvements and continue to do so. Yet your opinion of them is based on your past experiences of them, say from the 1980s. I know this because we’ve had the 4G pitch debate several times and you’ve stated it previously. You won’t attend matches on 4G pitches, you’ve said previously.
To take that attitude is, in my view, backwards and without any basis.
No I’m not. All you’re doing is trying to parrot an argument back at me because you’re too stupid to provide evidence for an original one yourself. Just simply re-stating my own argument back at me won’t work.theoriginalfatcat wrote: YOU are very much “projecting” I’m afraid.
If I wanted a parrot I’d go to the pet shop.
Ah yes, I see. You can’t think up of any logical or sensible response, so go hiding away. You dodged every single point I raised. What a little coward you are.theoriginalfatcat wrote: I'm not getting drawn in to a long tedious debate on this as we've done it before, and your childish insults just show that you're not as clever as you think you are.
But more importantly my original reply was a short one to OldGit about how I think the league is right to ban artificial pitches, artificial pitches LIKE HARROGATE''s.
We weren't discussing the top end hybrid ones like they have in the Premier league. Or the other better mixtures of grass and extras that they have further up the leagues. If Harrogate had one of these I don't think there would be a problem. You've changed the argument, gone off on a tangent.
Furthermore I don't need to scurry around on the internet to "provide evidence that 4G pitches aren't improving" - I know they are improving, I said they were in my post, I also said that grass ones are too.
You are either thick or some kind of wannabe frustrated journalist. Or failed journalist.Darlogramps wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:43 amAh yes, I see. You can’t think up of any logical or sensible response, so go hiding away. You dodged every single point I raised. What a little coward you are.theoriginalfatcat wrote: I'm not getting drawn in to a long tedious debate on this as we've done it before, and your childish insults just show that you're not as clever as you think you are.
But more importantly my original reply was a short one to OldGit about how I think the league is right to ban artificial pitches, artificial pitches LIKE HARROGATE''s.
We weren't discussing the top end hybrid ones like they have in the Premier league. Or the other better mixtures of grass and extras that they have further up the leagues. If Harrogate had one of these I don't think there would be a problem. You've changed the argument, gone off on a tangent.
Furthermore I don't need to scurry around on the internet to "provide evidence that 4G pitches aren't improving" - I know they are improving, I said they were in my post, I also said that grass ones are too.
All I’m asking is any opinion you hold should be based on fact. All your opinion on this is based on outdated notions.
You don’t like 4G pitches because they were bad in the 80s, so you believe all progress should be held up 40 years on. That’s an incredibly silly, backwards point of view.
More dodging. Just answer the points raised.theoriginalfatcat wrote:I’ve read through this thread from the beginning and it’s obvious that the bad feeling in this discussion has all emanated from your direction.
This is no surprise though! You are a serial offender and I can think of plenty of other reasonable posters on this forum who regularly have to put up with your bullish, insulting, childish, egotistical behaviour.
I have answered "the points raised" M'lud, just look above - I've written it out in capital letters.
This is really funny. In your world there seems to be a lot of "characters like me" on this board. You call it "mild interrogation" I call it bullying insulting behaviour, so I'll "raise a point with you" Why do you insult people who don't share your opinion?Darlogramps wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 7:09 pmIt’s amazing how many characters like you can’t cope with a mild interrogation of your point, so resort to attacks on my character instead.
Do I? I can't remember writing that.
Untrue! You are describing yourself here. The only person I occasional fall out with is you, but that's what you want because that's the way you roll. Anyway, I’ve got your number now. For some reason your primary interest on coming onto this forum is to cause trouble. You have a tool box of insults and techniques that you employ on a regular basis to insult and belittle other users. It’s the same thing with you, over and over again, and it has become ever so tedious. With you, It’s just the same s*** - different thread. Repeat......Darlogramps wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 7:09 pmAnd then you get nasty with personal attacks towards anyone who disagrees with you.
That’s the point. Your responses do NOT answer the points raised. That’s what I’m trying to tell you, but you’re too arrogant to listen.theoriginalfatcat wrote: I have answered "the points raised" M'lud, just look above - I've written it out in capital letters.
I don’t insult people who don’t share my opinion. I couldn’t care less if they agree with me or not.theoriginalfatcat wrote: This is really funny. In your world there seems to be a lot of "characters like me" on this board. You call it "mild interrogation" I call it bullying insulting behaviour, so I'll "raise a point with you" Why do you insult people who don't share your opinion? .
Egotism is another form of arrogance is it not? Anyway you display it in abundance.theoriginalfatcat wrote:Do I? I can't remember writing that.
Nope, my primary interest on here is to wind up weirdos like you. You believe your opinions are better than everyone else, and that you’re entitled to people accepting your views unquestioning.theoriginalfatcat wrote:Untrue! You are describing yourself here. The only person I occasional fall out with is you, but that's what you want because that's the way you roll. Anyway, I’ve got your number now. For some reason your primary interest on coming onto this forum is to cause trouble.Darlogramps wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 7:09 pmAnd then you get nasty with personal attacks towards anyone who disagrees with you.
I clearly have got you wound up, given you’re throwing a tantrum like a toddler.theoriginalfatcat wrote:Absolute bullshit. You haven’t got me wound up, however I don’t like conversing with you as it makes me feel polluted, and if
you think my minor misunderstanding with Lo was a “pretty nasty and aggressive attack” and “ childish and bullying” then you’re on a different planet. It’s there for anyone to see if they want.
I’ve told you. I’m doing it to antagonise you. Can’t you read? And given your increasingly demented hissy-fits, I’m being pretty successful.theoriginalfatcat wrote: And what’s with this “weirdo” name calling? it’s like something an immature schoolboy would come out with.
Oh this is priceless. You dig into a thread that’s at least six months old, find a random point and demand I answer it. You might want to consider getting a life, weirdo.theoriginalfatcat wrote: Also, you’ve neglected to address my point about you “projecting”. I’m interested to know how you can criticise me for supposedly doing it further back in this thread yet when it’s pointed out to you that you do it (against Lo) you remain silent. Please could you clear that up.
Ermmm, yes - Bullshit is very much a swear word. As is “Fuck” which you used towards Lo last week.theoriginalfatcat wrote:I can assure you there are no “tantrums” happening with me and secondly it’s interesting that just because you’ve decreed Lo to be a liar, he is one. You’ve bunged in a few legal sounding phrases and declared yourself a winner, congrats!
However, that aside, I stand by what I said about feeling polluted when I converse with you so I won’t be doing it anymore on this thread, it’s never ending, so take your abuse to someone else.
You see unlike you, I come on here for enjoyment and to chat about Darlo related subjects - you’ve admitted to me above in this thread (and to other posters previously on other threads) that your motivations for using this board are different. That’s how you are but as said previously, you act in this way on a regular basis so it’s no surprise.
And do you seriously think Bullshit is a swearword? LOL. The only swear words used on this thread are by you, take a look above.