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Re: Next season

Post by super_les_mcjannet » Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:31 pm

quakersfan wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:19 pm
Quaker85 wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:20 pm
Im no body language expert but Tommy looks really uncomfortable in his pmi these last few matches. Yesterday is telling because we won the game and he still looks down. In the past after a win he's all smiles but yesterday he had his defeat face on. Looks a broken man to me.

Contrast with Jim Gannon's interviews at Stockport. Now there's a coach who really knows what he's doing with a clear game plan and organisational skills. Still he does hold a full UEFA pro coaching licence. Good luck to them!
Quaker85 wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:20 pm
Im no body language expert but Tommy looks really uncomfortable in his pmi these last few matches. Yesterday is telling because we won the game and he still looks down. In the past after a win he's all smiles but yesterday he had his defeat face on. Looks a broken man to me.

Contrast with Jim Gannon's interviews at Stockport. Now there's a coach who really knows what he's doing with a clear game plan and organisational skills. Still he does hold a full UEFA pro coaching licence. Good luck to them!
Likely there’s lots we don’t know, at the end of the day DJ will take the view of the board of DFCSG on board and will act on their decision.
We had this last time, DFCSG would not make the decision on firing a manager, that is the board. They will no doubt make a suggestion though and have some influence as in they could via the chair advise the DFC board that they no longer support the manager in the role.

However the DFCSG board wouldn't have a vote at a meeting and then DJ has to just remove.

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Re: Next season

Post by LoidLucan » Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:38 pm

Pete, that was Gary Bowyer at Bradford City.

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Re: Next season

Post by Darlogramps » Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:40 pm

LoidLucan wrote:Pete, that was Gary Bowyer at Bradford City.
Which Pete knows of course. Don't fall for it.


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Re: Next season

Post by Darlo_Pete » Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:54 pm

LoidLucan wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:38 pm
Pete, that was Gary Bowyer at Bradford City.
Ok sorry I got them mixed up, I did read that Bowyer had gone from Bradford PA to Bradford City, they were obviously wrong as well.

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Re: Next season

Post by Seventynine » Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:40 pm

you beleave your alive and everything is moon shaped ..like all labour dickwits

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Re: Next season

Post by Beano » Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:43 pm

Seventynine wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:40 pm
you beleave your alive and everything is moon shaped ..like all labour dickwits
Can anyone translate?

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Re: Next season

Post by biccynana » Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:11 pm

Beano wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:43 pm
Seventynine wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:40 pm
you beleave your alive and everything is moon shaped ..like all labour dickwits
Can anyone translate?
I've given up trying.

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Re: Next season

Post by Vokuhila » Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:12 pm

Beano wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:43 pm
Seventynine wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:40 pm
you beleave your alive and everything is moon shaped ..like all labour dickwits
Can anyone translate?
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Re: Next season

Post by biccynana » Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:20 pm

tdk1 wrote:
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So if, say, Kings Lynn won the play off it would be even more skewed.
Why? KL is further north than Oxford, Gloucester, or Braintree (or have I misunderstood your point?)

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Re: Next season

Post by tdk1 » Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:51 pm

Because its a pain in the arse to get to from anywhere (and I wasn't sure where the dividing line was)

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Re: Next season

Post by biccynana » Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:56 pm

tdk1 wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:51 pm
Because its a pain in the arse to get to from anywhere (and I wasn't sure where the dividing line was)
Ah, well yes, can't argue with that. The A17 from the A1 is a right b%llache.

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Re: Next season

Post by 50 years » Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:13 pm

We need to be careful of what we wish for, while personally happy to go with whatever the board decide re management, we can't guarantee a new manager would be any better given the financial position we have. While the results and problems on field have depressed a fair few of our fans, we have stayed in this league (assuming that the teams below lose one more game, which I think is likely), with 4 games still to go, and I expect with enough points at the end of the season to have put us safe anyway, (and not reliant on there being 3 worse teams than us), set up and academy to help finances in the future, and I think that TW is learning, (whether fast enough is debateable for sure, but this must have been a large learning curve for him and TW), as can be seen in the recruitment of the loans, some who have been excellent. Personally I would give him time next season, but realise I may be in a minority.
The season has been a difficult one with injuries, good players leaving due to budget cuts, and clearly some poor decision making at times, but in the main we have just missed a natural goal scorer, (re how we played when we had Nelson for a few games), that one position could well have been the difference between us challenging near the top and near the bottom as we are now imo.
As has been mentioned mid table position, playing good football next year and hopefully a little cup run would suit me as I realise that we are not in a position to get promotion financially, (although play off position would be nice, winning the play off's would be a worry unless we do have a great cup run).

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Re: Next season

Post by Darlogramps » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:19 pm

50 years wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:13 pm
We need to be careful of what we wish for, while personally happy to go with whatever the board decide re management, we can't guarantee a new manager would be any better given the financial position we have.
Yes we can. Martin Gray got us into the top five with a budget not massively removed from TW's this season. And if a manager as limited as Gray could do that, better managers certainly could at the very least make us competitive.
50 years wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:13 pm
While the results and problems on field have depressed a fair few of our fans, we have stayed in this league (assuming that the teams below lose one more game, which I think is likely), with 4 games still to go, and I expect with enough points at the end of the season to have put us safe anyway, (and not reliant on there being 3 worse teams than us), set up and academy to help finances in the future, and I think that TW is learning, (whether fast enough is debateable for sure.
Wright's supporters, like 50 Years and onewayup, seem to think us avoiding relegation is some kind of great success. It isn't. TW has massively underperformed, and we now know this based on what was said at the netcafe. I'm not asking for the earth here. I'm not asking for us to be tearing opposition apart week in, week out. All I want is for us to be competitive, coherent and consistent - and we haven't been that this season.
But this must have been a large learning curve for him and TW), as can be seen in the recruitment of the loans, some who have been excellent.
Even the weakest managers can make good signings. Look at Steve Staunton for example - he brought in Jamie Devitt and Tadhg Purcell who turned out to be very good. Signing a handful of good players doesn't mean you're a good manager.

As for "TW is young and learning", it's a terrible argument. He's on to his third managerial job, and has been a manager for approaching six years now. He's not a novice and some of the errors he's making, he really shouldn't be making. If he's learning, why are we seeing results like the Hereford game, for example?
Personally I would give him time next season, but realise I may be in a minority.
How much time? Because if, after 18 months of him being at the club, you're reluctant to give him a full season, then really you shouldn't be giving him any time whatsoever. If you want to be successful, you don't plan a season based on short-term thinking. Anyone saying "Let's give him 10 games next season and see" really doesn't know what they're talking about. Whoever starts next season in charge, we plan for them being in charge come May 2020.
The season has been a difficult one with injuries, good players leaving due to budget cuts, and clearly some poor decision making at times, but in the main we have just missed a natural goal scorer, (re how we played when we had Nelson for a few games), that one position could well have been the difference between us challenging near the top and near the bottom as we are now imo.
Disagree - as a minimum we're missing a goalkeeper, a left back/wing back, a holding/defensive-minded midfielder (who may be Holness, but I'm not concluding anything based on a couple of games) and a striker. There'll be at least 10 clubs in this division who need a natural goalscorer. There aren't many kicking around.
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Re: Next season

Post by jjljks » Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:34 am

There is another factor which has not yet been mentioned, there are some clubs that are in a financial mess and could go under. This would cause some gaps all over the leagues that could give a bigger reorganisation. FA need to keep tighter control over clubs' expenditure compared to their income.

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Re: Next season

Post by AndyPark » Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:14 am

Still got this feeling that Styche will come back.
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Re: Next season

Post by QUAKERMAN2 » Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:44 am

AndyPark wrote:Still got this feeling that Styche will come back.
That would be some start to next season's team building but sadly cannot see it but I think he would jump at the chance if finances allow.

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Re: Next season

Post by Quaker85 » Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:00 am

QUAKERMAN2 wrote:
AndyPark wrote:Still got this feeling that Styche will come back.
That would be some start to next season's team building but sadly cannot see it but I think he would jump at the chance if finances allow.

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Re: Next season

Post by LoidLucan » Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:19 am

Not sure where he'll end up but I don't reckon he'll be at Alfreton next season if Billy Heath's still there. It's always looked an uneasy relationship and on Saturday he subbed Styche at half-time (wasn't injured) on a day Alfreton lost 7-0 at home. I don't think Styche was too impressed and the feeling among fans is maybe some words were exchanged.

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Re: Next season

Post by Darlogramps » Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:19 am

jjljks wrote:There is another factor which has not yet been mentioned, there are some clubs that are in a financial mess and could go under. This would cause some gaps all over the leagues that could give a bigger reorganisation. FA need to keep tighter control over clubs' expenditure compared to their income.
It's not for the FA to control clubs' expenditure. The clubs themselves have to be responsible for that.



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Re: Next season

Post by mikkyx » Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:53 am

LoidLucan wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:19 am
Not sure where he'll end up but I don't reckon he'll be at Alfreton next season if Billy Heath's still there. It's always looked an uneasy relationship and on Saturday he subbed Styche at half-time (wasn't injured) on a day Alfreton lost 7-0 at home. I don't think Styche was too impressed and the feeling among fans is maybe some words were exchanged.
Hasn't done anything to ease speculation by tweeting a picture of himself up a mountain in a Darlo jacket yesterday, either :lol:
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Re: Next season

Post by LoidLucan » Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:14 am

Billy boy is dragging it off his back even as we speak :D

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Re: Next season

Post by theoriginalfatcat » Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:33 am

AndyPark wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:14 am
Still got this feeling that Styche will come back.

Me too.

When he left - much was made by both Styche and D.J about just how well they got on and how the sale was purely for financial reasons.
Mr Singh said this " I'm not expecting to get back any of the money I've already put in, I'm prepared to write it off for the future of the club. I'm not hanging in to make any kind of financial gain in the short or long term - if someone was prepared to come in and take the club off my hands, I'd be more than willing to discuss it"

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Re: Next season

Post by banktopp » Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:38 am

Quaker85 wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:00 am
QUAKERMAN2 wrote:
AndyPark wrote:Still got this feeling that Styche will come back.
That would be some start to next season's team building but sadly cannot see it but I think he would jump at the chance if finances allow.

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Doesn't have to come from BTB, if enough owners i.e us, want it to happen we can raise the money.
No idea what transfer fee plus a year of his wages would cost but I would be into it in a major way.
No cost to club for a season.
Always assuming a change of all management.

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Re: Next season

Post by LoidLucan » Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:58 am

Of course Styche did say that one of the main reasons he signed for Darlo was because of TW who he rated as one of the best he had worked with.

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Re: Next season

Post by D_F_C » Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:31 am

can't see that Alfreton would buy Styche for £££ and only give him a contract to the end of the season. He'll be signed up to the end of next season, which means we can't afford him.

Also, when people are looking at manager candiates, they need to include managers who can also run an academy. It's a 'must have'

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Re: Next season

Post by loan_star » Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:52 am

I guess it all depends if we get a change of manager whether the new man actually wants Styche anyway!

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Re: Next season

Post by Beano » Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:02 pm

I can’t see how we could afford Styche given he was our highest earner even if there is willing on both sides.

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Re: Next season

Post by Beano » Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:05 pm

D_F_C wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:31 am
Also, when people are looking at manager candiates, they need to include managers who can also run an academy. It's a 'must have'
Is it really? I’m hugely unconvinced.

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Re: Next season

Post by Lallacab » Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:06 pm

D_F_C wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:31 am
can't see that Alfreton would buy Styche for £££ and only give him a contract to the end of the season. He'll be signed up to the end of next season, which means we can't afford him.

Also, when people are looking at manager candiates, they need to include managers who can also run an academy. It's a 'must have'
Surely we could have an assistant manager or a coach who has the credentials and qualifications to run the academy?

In my opinion this is something the club needs to look at , would TW still be in a job if he wasn’t running the academy?

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Re: Next season

Post by al_quaker » Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:24 pm

We certainly need a replacement for Styche - whether that's Styche himself or someone new isn't particularly important. I reckon it would bring a bit more out of Kneeshaw too - if he's still here of course.

It'll be interesting to see who is under contract for next season. The way its worked out, I hope Tommy wasn't chucking around too many 2 year contracts last summer

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