Shorter games ?
Shorter games ?
Just a thought but it might not be as daft as it sounds. Given the fixture congestion, which could easily worsen, a game of 80 minutes could address the problems of fatigue and consequent injury and maybe even some incentive for shot-shy teams to through caution to the winds. Basically the amount of football teams in our league are expected to play in a season that seems to me to becoming a bit meaningless, is too much. Shorter games could mean better games. If they have to slog all the way through to May without some adjustment the players will be worn out and not best placed for next season. I can't see crowds coming back for some time so there's no loss of revenue involved and the price of watching Darlo on local broadcasts isn't an issue.
Really, I just think expecting teams at our level to somehow plough on in a situation which gets worse by the week is unreasonable, are the players and staff safe enough? It would be a shame to void the season but I think that unless we look more creatively at how to keep it going it might happen.
Really, I just think expecting teams at our level to somehow plough on in a situation which gets worse by the week is unreasonable, are the players and staff safe enough? It would be a shame to void the season but I think that unless we look more creatively at how to keep it going it might happen.
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It happened in Women's Premier rugby 15s before their season was halted. I think instead of playing 40 mins they played 30 minutes each half in order to protect the players. Yes it's unlikely National League would agree to this but with the current situation all options should at least be explored even if they are then subsequently ruled out.Wiseacre wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:00 pmJust a thought but it might not be as daft as it sounds. Given the fixture congestion, which could easily worsen, a game of 80 minutes could address the problems of fatigue and consequent injury and maybe even some incentive for shot-shy teams to through caution to the winds. Basically the amount of football teams in our league are expected to play in a season that seems to me to becoming a bit meaningless, is too much. Shorter games could mean better games. If they have to slog all the way through to May without some adjustment the players will be worn out and not best placed for next season. I can't see crowds coming back for some time so there's no loss of revenue involved and the price of watching Darlo on local broadcasts isn't an issue.
Really, I just think expecting teams at our level to somehow plough on in a situation which gets worse by the week is unreasonable, are the players and staff safe enough? It would be a shame to void the season but I think that unless we look more creatively at how to keep it going it might happen.
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Have I just woken from winter hibernation on April 1st ?
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Could the National League be in a position to agree?
The Laws of the game require 2 x 45 minute halves. I think it may need approval from the games law makers & so not be something the National League or the FA alone could sanction
The Laws of the game require 2 x 45 minute halves. I think it may need approval from the games law makers & so not be something the National League or the FA alone could sanction
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Nope dead against that proposal, a game should last 90mins plus extra time.
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That really addresses the issue of player burnout Pete and a real possibility of another incomplete season!Darlo_Pete wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:23 pmNope dead against that proposal, a game should last 90mins plus extra time.
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Recently we played an 87 minute game against Boston and have been ordered to replay it.
Shortening games really would be a nail in the coffin for the integrity of the league. This idea is absolute nonsense.
Shortening games really would be a nail in the coffin for the integrity of the league. This idea is absolute nonsense.
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I think the "integrity of the league" is already in doubt based on their current stance of not be prepared to extend the season. You do seem to have blinkered views on the idea without any alternative suggestions as to how to avoid teams like us potentially playing 3x90 mins a week later in the season?
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If the season is not extended it is very likely we and others will have to play 3 games per week. Personally I am not convinced that the season should be completed at all costs. Using PPG is not an ideal solution but perhaps the National League should draw up some contingency plans. It could perhaps come into play if all clubs have completed a certain number of games say 30 as a minimum.
If the League were to state how they would resolve this then at least all clubs would be aware of the rules and there would at least be some clarity.
If the League were to state how they would resolve this then at least all clubs would be aware of the rules and there would at least be some clarity.
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I think we all agree the League should "re-assure" Clubs and Fans that it is actively considering a number of potential scenarios!Old Git wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:27 pmIf the season is not extended it is very likely we and others will have to play 3 games per week. Personally I am not convinced that the season should be completed at all costs. Using PPG is not an ideal solution but perhaps the National League should draw up some contingency plans. It could perhaps come into play if all clubs have completed a certain number of games say 30 as a minimum.
If the League were to state how they would resolve this then at least all clubs would be aware of the rules and there would at least be some clarity.
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Twenty minute games. That’s the answer.
Or straight to penalty shoot outs, with no football played.
Or straight to penalty shoot outs, with no football played.
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First to score wins. If there is no goal after 30 minutes the outcome is determined via a game of scrabble.
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CrazyDarlo wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:31 pmFirst to score wins. If there is no goal after 30 minutes the outcome is determined via a game of scrabble.
Or a punch up - memo/resign Liam Hughes.
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As Darlo continue to leak goals at the start of matches, what about missing the first 10 mins?
Or would that mean we don't play at all
Or would that mean we don't play at all
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Hopefully doesn't come in by the time we play Kettering in two weeks then...theoriginalfatcat wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:12 pmOr a punch up - memo/resign Liam Hughes.CrazyDarlo wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:31 pmFirst to score wins. If there is no goal after 30 minutes the outcome is determined via a game of scrabble.
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Watching a socially distanced game of Scrabble, with the board and pieces being constantly sanitised, might take more time than the season allows.CrazyDarlo wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:31 pmFirst to score wins. If there is no goal after 30 minutes the outcome is determined via a game of scrabble.
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Old git you no doubt will recall the winter of 62/63.Old Git wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:27 pmIf the season is not extended it is very likely we and others will have to play 3 games per week. Personally I am not convinced that the season should be completed at all costs. Using PPG is not an ideal solution but perhaps the National League should draw up some contingency plans. It could perhaps come into play if all clubs have completed a certain number of games say 30 as a minimum.
If the League were to state how they would resolve this then at least all clubs would be aware of the rules and there would at least be some clarity.
After an appalling winter with no football between boxing day and February 23rd we ended up having to play 13 games in little over a month
including 6 in 9 days, and 3 in 4 days between the 12th and 15th April.
Don't remember any squealing then.
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They were very different times when footballers were much tougher. In fact we were all tougher then. Of course the players then were full time professionals.banktopp wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:38 amOld git you no doubt will recall the winter of 62/63.Old Git wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:27 pmIf the season is not extended it is very likely we and others will have to play 3 games per week. Personally I am not convinced that the season should be completed at all costs. Using PPG is not an ideal solution but perhaps the National League should draw up some contingency plans. It could perhaps come into play if all clubs have completed a certain number of games say 30 as a minimum.
If the League were to state how they would resolve this then at least all clubs would be aware of the rules and there would at least be some clarity.
After an appalling winter with no football between boxing day and February 23rd we ended up having to play 13 games in little over a month
including 6 in 9 days, and 3 in 4 days between the 12th and 15th April.
Don't remember any squealing then.
More recently in 2015/16 when we won the Evostik Premier League we had to play 3 times a week if memory is correct.
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The 'trident leagues' have made a motion to null and void.
If it were agree that would mean no relegation from our level. They are to consult clubs on it.
This is consistent with the perspective of many Step 5 & 6 leagues as well.
If it were agree that would mean no relegation from our level. They are to consult clubs on it.
This is consistent with the perspective of many Step 5 & 6 leagues as well.
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Just don’t see this as a solution I’m afraid. In fact, it would make travelling long distances for a shorter game feel even dafter. It’s not a recreational league. Extend the season. It’s the only sensible thing to do.
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Not all our players were full time professionals back in 1962. Certainly they were tougher, didn't wear gloves and couldn't be called snowflakes.Old Git wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:23 pmThey were very different times when footballers were much tougher. In fact we were all tougher then. Of course the players then were full time professionals.banktopp wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:38 amOld git you no doubt will recall the winter of 62/63.Old Git wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:27 pmIf the season is not extended it is very likely we and others will have to play 3 games per week. Personally I am not convinced that the season should be completed at all costs. Using PPG is not an ideal solution but perhaps the National League should draw up some contingency plans. It could perhaps come into play if all clubs have completed a certain number of games say 30 as a minimum.
If the League were to state how they would resolve this then at least all clubs would be aware of the rules and there would at least be some clarity.
After an appalling winter with no football between boxing day and February 23rd we ended up having to play 13 games in little over a month
including 6 in 9 days, and 3 in 4 days between the 12th and 15th April.
Don't remember any squealing then.
More recently in 2015/16 when we won the Evostik Premier League we had to play 3 times a week if memory is correct.
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Also the standard was considerably worse, games were played at a snails pace and players were neither as fit nor technically as skilled as those today.
Not to say they didn't have the potential but sports science has come on in 60 years.
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Pele, Puskas, Eusebio, Best...going back a bit further - Stanley Matthews?
You telling me that none of those players were as technically skilled as players today?
These sorts of players honed their skills dribbling with oranges and tennis balls.
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Don't agree,there have always been technically gifted players but they are, I'm sure fitter now. Some of us will remember the dreadful surfaces they played on, so energy draining and only one substitute. Gerry Byrne played the 65 cup final with a broken collar bone. Real tough players abounded and they played through all sorts of injuries. Tackling was ferocious!
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Only one substitute came in 1965. Only one stretcher at Feethams, when Henderson was dragged off with broken leg. Whitehead also broke his legdon'tbuythesun wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:11 pmDon't agree,there have always been technically gifted players but they are, I'm sure fitter now. Some of us will remember the dreadful surfaces they played on, so energy draining and only one substitute. Gerry Byrne played the 65 cup final with a broken collar bone. Real tough players abounded and they played through all sorts of injuries. Tackling was ferocious!
in the same game and was occupying the stretcher. Can still remember the awful crack when he broke it.
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Nearer to home George McGeachie every bit as skillful as modern day wingers, wide players.Ghost_Of_1883 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:09 pmPele, Puskas, Eusebio, Best...going back a bit further - Stanley Matthews?
You telling me that none of those players were as technically skilled as players today?
These sorts of players honed their skills dribbling with oranges and tennis balls.
He was another of our part time players back in 1963.
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Nope. I was talking very generally not about individual players.Ghost_Of_1883 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:09 pmPele, Puskas, Eusebio, Best...going back a bit further - Stanley Matthews?
You telling me that none of those players were as technically skilled as players today?
These sorts of players honed their skills dribbling with oranges and tennis balls.
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Eh? Talking bollox if you ask me.lo36789 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:43 pmNope. I was talking very generally not about individual players.Ghost_Of_1883 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:09 pmPele, Puskas, Eusebio, Best...going back a bit further - Stanley Matthews?
You telling me that none of those players were as technically skilled as players today?
These sorts of players honed their skills dribbling with oranges and tennis balls.