Wright and White
Wright and White
Delighted to see them turning things around and proving the doubters wrong. I admit I was one of those doubters but it looks as though the players are taking to his system and cutting out the mistakes. Hats off to them both as well for keeping spirits high throughout the poor run of form as thats not easy to do!
Great work in the transfer market as well with Pears, Trotman, Heaton, O'Hanlon and Styche. They've made a huge difference!
Keep up the good work TW and AW!
Great work in the transfer market as well with Pears, Trotman, Heaton, O'Hanlon and Styche. They've made a huge difference!
Keep up the good work TW and AW!
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I wasn't one of the doubters, but yes - well done to the players and the management team.
We're still in a dicey position though, we have to keep it going.
We're still in a dicey position though, we have to keep it going.
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I knew they'd turn things round and I'm pleased that I never doubted them. Good to see that a few of the doubters admit they may have got it wrong. Pity that some of the rest have gone very quiet on here.
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I was very much doubting whether they could turn it round. Fortunately they seem to have taken on board the lessons both from the defeats and the victories, and long may it continue. A couple more wins in the next few weeks and I'll be breathing a lot easier. Funny, at 2-1 down v leamington I could not imagine a way we were going to get out of the relegation zone.
However, can we all wait until we are safe before we hail tw as a managerial mastermind? I'm happy to admit I was wrong, and it's looking that way just now. But let's not get cocky.
And one more thing. Can I just ask that all the people suggesting the players were inadequate and incapable of getting us up the table also hold their hands up? Our squad is looking pretty good just now, with just a bit of cover up top missing.
However, can we all wait until we are safe before we hail tw as a managerial mastermind? I'm happy to admit I was wrong, and it's looking that way just now. But let's not get cocky.
And one more thing. Can I just ask that all the people suggesting the players were inadequate and incapable of getting us up the table also hold their hands up? Our squad is looking pretty good just now, with just a bit of cover up top missing.
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We were obviously lacking a bit of belief and luck in quite a few of the games leading up to the Leamington game. Sometimes all it takes is that bit of luck to return and it all falls into place. Plus add in the fact that Wright has been able to get a settled team out on the pitch.
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Well I never doubted TW for one second......tdk1 wrote: However, can we all wait until we are safe before we hail tw as a managerial mastermind? I'm happy to admit I was wrong, and it's looking that way just now. But let's not get cocky.
And one more thing. Can I just ask that all the people suggesting the players were inadequate and incapable of getting us up the table also hold their hands up? Our squad is looking pretty good just now, with just a bit of cover up top missing.
But in all seriousness, we've had two good performances in our three wins. Anyone who thinks Leamington was a good performance is talking rubbish.
I'm not going to have a damascene conversion on the basis of two good performances. I still have my doubts about TW, but fair play to him for the past few weeks. He's taken on board the criticisms, and, what do you know, we've improved.
But it can quickly be undone with a few bad results. And as you rightly point out, while I was doubting TW, plenty were doubting our players as not being good enough. They've proved me correct in demonstrating their ability.
It shouldn't have taken TW nearly a third of the season to find his strongest side from a good group of players.
But no one is more delighted at our turnaround than me.
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We weren't lacking luck. Confidence and consistency yes, but you don't have a run of 13 bad games because of bad luck.loan_star wrote:We were obviously lacking a bit of belief and luck in quite a few of the games leading up to the Leamington game. Sometimes all it takes is that bit of luck to return and it all falls into place. Plus add in the fact that Wright has been able to get a settled team out on the pitch.
The idea of luck is a fairytale to cover our own previous failures.
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Of course we had some bad luck. One instance is when Trotman tried to clear the lines against Chorley, hit an outstretched leg and fell nicely in the box for them to equalise. Any other day that would have ended up either out of the ground or in their half of the pitch. Its not entirely down to luck as you seem to be implying that this is what I meant, however luck does play a part in it.Darlogramps wrote:We weren't lacking luck. Confidence and consistency yes, but you don't have a run of 13 bad games because of bad luck.loan_star wrote:We were obviously lacking a bit of belief and luck in quite a few of the games leading up to the Leamington game. Sometimes all it takes is that bit of luck to return and it all falls into place. Plus add in the fact that Wright has been able to get a settled team out on the pitch.
The idea of luck is a fairytale to cover our own previous failures.
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Darlogramps wrote:Well I never doubted TW for one second......tdk1 wrote: However, can we all wait until we are safe before we hail tw as a managerial mastermind? I'm happy to admit I was wrong, and it's looking that way just now. But let's not get cocky.
And one more thing. Can I just ask that all the people suggesting the players were inadequate and incapable of getting us up the table also hold their hands up? Our squad is looking pretty good just now, with just a bit of cover up top missing.
But in all seriousness, we've had two good performances in our three wins. Anyone who thinks Leamington was a good performance is talking rubbish.
I'm not going to have a damascene conversion on the basis of two good performances. I still have my doubts about TW, but fair play to him for the past few weeks. He's taken on board the criticisms, and, what do you know, we've improved.
But it can quickly be undone with a few bad results. And as you rightly point out, while I was doubting TW, plenty were doubting our players as not being good enough. They've proved me correct in demonstrating their ability.
It shouldn't have taken TW nearly a third of the season to find his strongest side from a good group of players.
But no one is more delighted at our turnaround than me.
“Taken on board the criticisms”. If you genuinely think that then for one moment you don’t understand the mindset of a football manager, let alone the single mindedness of Alan White and a Tommy Wright.
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Every club has bad luck and good luck in every single game though. It wasn't a factor in a our bad run, as you suggested.
But we went on a run of one win in 13 because our players weren't performing, our manager got his tactics wrong and we had no idea what our best team and system were. That has nothing to do with luck.
The fact some of our first teamers left didn't help either obviously.
But it's no coincidence that since TW has settled on a more consistent team and style, our performances and results have picked up.
But we went on a run of one win in 13 because our players weren't performing, our manager got his tactics wrong and we had no idea what our best team and system were. That has nothing to do with luck.
The fact some of our first teamers left didn't help either obviously.
But it's no coincidence that since TW has settled on a more consistent team and style, our performances and results have picked up.
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And simplified. God how we needed to go back to basics. We were forced into it at leamington and suddenly... Click
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And if you think that, you'll fail at everything in the rest of your life. Ignoring criticism to be overcome adversity is a romantic notion, but it simply doesn't happen. If things are going wrong, you look at where to improve, you don't plough on under the guise of single-mindedness.Darlo-and-Back wrote:Darlogramps wrote:Well I never doubted TW for one second......tdk1 wrote: However, can we all wait until we are safe before we hail tw as a managerial mastermind? I'm happy to admit I was wrong, and it's looking that way just now. But let's not get cocky.
And one more thing. Can I just ask that all the people suggesting the players were inadequate and incapable of getting us up the table also hold their hands up? Our squad is looking pretty good just now, with just a bit of cover up top missing.
But in all seriousness, we've had two good performances in our three wins. Anyone who thinks Leamington was a good performance is talking rubbish.
I'm not going to have a damascene conversion on the basis of two good performances. I still have my doubts about TW, but fair play to him for the past few weeks. He's taken on board the criticisms, and, what do you know, we've improved.
But it can quickly be undone with a few bad results. And as you rightly point out, while I was doubting TW, plenty were doubting our players as not being good enough. They've proved me correct in demonstrating their ability.
It shouldn't have taken TW nearly a third of the season to find his strongest side from a good group of players.
But no one is more delighted at our turnaround than me.
“Taken on board the criticisms”. If you genuinely think that then for one moment you don’t understand the mindset of a football manager, let alone the single mindedness of Alan White and a Tommy Wright.
Trust me, there was nothing single-minded about TW when he was fielding a different side every week, or trying out multiple formations. Evidently he was changing his mind quite regularly.
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Is this guy for real!!
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Yep, I am.Darlo-and-Back wrote:Is this guy for real!!
Feel free to disagree with me of course and I'll disagree with you. And feel free to challenge my point of view and explain why.
But let's not have another thread descend into a bitchfest about me. It happens too regularly.
So, why do you disagree with me?
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Every club has bad luck and yet you say it wasn't a factor in our bad run. You either have bad luck or you don't. If you have bad luck then it is a factor!!Darlogramps wrote:Every club has bad luck and good luck in every single game though. It wasn't a factor in a our bad run, as you suggested.
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I'd say the bad luck gets cancelled out by the good luck you have, and the fact other clubs also have bad luck. It's no different to any other club so can't be described as a factor.loan_star wrote:Every club has bad luck and yet you say it wasn't a factor in our bad run. You either have bad luck or you don't. If you have bad luck then it is a factor!!Darlogramps wrote:Every club has bad luck and good luck in every single game though. It wasn't a factor in a our bad run, as you suggested.
It's like saying your club struggles because you have injuries. Well, every club gets injuries or suspensions over a season.
All I'm saying is you can't put the fact we were poor in terms of results for about a third of a season under TW down to luck.
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Thats why I said belief too. Get a bit of good luck and the belief can return.Darlogramps wrote:I'd say the bad luck gets cancelled out by the good luck you have, and the fact other clubs also have bad luck. It's no different to any other club so can't be described as a factor.loan_star wrote:Every club has bad luck and yet you say it wasn't a factor in our bad run. You either have bad luck or you don't. If you have bad luck then it is a factor!!Darlogramps wrote:Every club has bad luck and good luck in every single game though. It wasn't a factor in a our bad run, as you suggested.
It's like saying your club struggles because you have injuries. Well, every club gets injuries or suspensions over a season.
All I'm saying is you can't put the fact we were poor in terms of results for about a third of a season under TW down to luck.
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I think a number of factors have helped in giving us a more solid look. They include sticking with a flat back four which the players look much more comfortable with. The three at the back experiment left us looking extremely exposed and starting a game at gainsborough with Thommo as a full back was inexplicable. The settled midfield with Turnbull and Wheatley at the heart is now working very effectively. Starting the vital game at Leamington with Turnbull on the bench and scott in midfield was a mistake that was thankfully rectified in the second half, helping us to turn it around. TW seems to be getting things right now and his signings have improved the side. I'm pleased that we are now showing signs of progress after a shaky start for TW.
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Again, I'm going to have to disagree. Luck plays no part in it.loan_star wrote:Thats why I said belief too. Get a bit of good luck and the belief can return.Darlogramps wrote:I'd say the bad luck gets cancelled out by the good luck you have, and the fact other clubs also have bad luck. It's no different to any other club so can't be described as a factor.loan_star wrote:Every club has bad luck and yet you say it wasn't a factor in our bad run. You either have bad luck or you don't. If you have bad luck then it is a factor!!Darlogramps wrote:Every club has bad luck and good luck in every single game though. It wasn't a factor in a our bad run, as you suggested.
It's like saying your club struggles because you have injuries. Well, every club gets injuries or suspensions over a season.
All I'm saying is you can't put the fact we were poor in terms of results for about a third of a season under TW down to luck.
TW now knows what he believes to be his strongest line-up. Being better organised and actually having a coherent game plan has led to the team knowing what they are doing, and in turn having the confidence to take on teams.
That to me is why we've improved, not a random event falling in our favour triggering a turnaround. That to me doesn't hold up to any sort of reasonable scrutiny.
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Think that sums a lot of it up.LoidLucan wrote:I think a number of factors have helped in giving us a more solid look. They include sticking with a flat back four which the players look much more comfortable with. The three at the back experiment left us looking extremely exposed and starting a game at gainsborough with Thommo as a full back was inexplicable. The settled midfield with Turnbull and Wheatley at the heart is now working very effectively. Starting the vital game at Leamington with Turnbull on the bench and scott in midfield was a mistake that was thankfully rectified in the second half, helping us to turn it around. TW seems to be getting things right now and his signings have improved the side. I'm pleased that we are now showing signs of progress after a shaky start for TW.
With Wright the signings have been good, he has tried to play what many (even myself) would say is a better style of football (it's results that count though).
The downside is he changed formations/selections so many times that in all honesty at Gainsborough I had no idea what we were trying to do and not sure Wright knew either.
Since then we got closer and closer to teams and did improve but not to the level we are at now. He has fallen across 4 at the back when Brown had to be taken off against Leamington but I guess he has sensibly realised it is working.
I like Wright and it's going well at the moment, I hope it continues.
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The new signings have made a tremendous difference and that's all down to the management duo. Gramps is clearly a half pint empty person. Long may TW & AW prove him wrong.
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"The harder I work, the luckier I get"
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Yep. And the quote is complete bollocks. It's a fictitious, romantic notion that doesn't stand up to intelligent scrutiny.bigrichiet wrote:"The harder I work, the luckier I get"
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Luck has nothing to do with success. Organisation, clear strategy and effective execution are more relevant.
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I agree Pete. I would love to be proved wrong and have said so many times on here. Two good performances don't prove anything though.Darlo_Pete wrote:The new signings have made a tremendous difference and that's all down to the management duo. Gramps is clearly a half pint empty person. Long may TW & AW prove him wrong.
So if you're going to try trolling me about it, you'll have up your game.
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My understanding of that quotation is that it perfectly agrees with what you are saying. Player was pointing out that it was the hard work he put in that led to his "luck".Darlogramps wrote:Yep. And the quote is complete bollocks. It's a fictitious, romantic notion that doesn't stand up to intelligent scrutiny.bigrichiet wrote:"The harder I work, the luckier I get"
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Had a chat with Tommy before the game, always engages with us fans unlike you know who, smashing bloke and would love to see him be a massive success with us.Darlo_Pete wrote:The new signings have made a tremendous difference and that's all down to the management duo. Gramps is clearly a half pint empty person. Long may TW & AW prove him wrong.
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Yep that's what I like about him and Whitey, it's not just a job to them, they genuinely love the club and it's fans. In some ways they are similar to Hodgy.QUAKERMAN2 wrote:Had a chat with Tommy before the game, always engages with us fans unlike you know who, smashing bloke and would love to see him be a massive success with us.Darlo_Pete wrote:The new signings have made a tremendous difference and that's all down to the management duo. Gramps is clearly a half pint empty person. Long may TW & AW prove him wrong.
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It was rhetorical. No question mark, no response required.Darlogramps wrote:Yep, I am.Darlo-and-Back wrote:Is this guy for real!!
Feel free to disagree with me of course and I'll disagree with you. And feel free to challenge my point of view and explain why.
But let's not have another thread descend into a bitchfest about me. It happens too regularly.
So, why do you disagree with me?
To be right about it you have a knack of ruining every thread on here. There is a great flow of ideas and info then... Boom, argumentative bullshit.
Note no question mark so no reply required.
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Darlo-and-Back wrote:It was rhetorical. No question mark, no response required.Darlogramps wrote:Yep, I am.Darlo-and-Back wrote:Is this guy for real!!
Feel free to disagree with me of course and I'll disagree with you. And feel free to challenge my point of view and explain why.
But let's not have another thread descend into a bitchfest about me. It happens too regularly.
So, why do you disagree with me?
To be right about it you have a knack of ruining every thread on here. There is a great flow of ideas and info then... Boom, argumentative bullshit.
Note no question mark so no reply required.
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That is exactly what GP was portraying , i believe it is the ethos most top sports/successful people go by "no substitute for hard work"en passant wrote:My understanding of that quotation is that it perfectly agrees with what you are saying. Player was pointing out that it was the hard work he put in that led to his "luck".Darlogramps wrote:Yep. And the quote is complete bollocks. It's a fictitious, romantic notion that doesn't stand up to intelligent scrutiny.bigrichiet wrote:"The harder I work, the luckier I get"
Gary Player
Luck has nothing to do with success. Organisation, clear strategy and effective execution are more relevant.