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Quakerz - if you actually attended games and spoke to people you might actually find our facts, rather than spreading s*** on this board.

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I'm sorry but I'm not a fan of mainstream music (on the whole) either yet I agree with Spyman that to dismiss it completely just stinks of music snobbery. There are plenty of examples of decent mainstream music over the past 20 years.

LCD Soundsytem, Daft Punk, Jay-Z, MGMT, The Killers, Bloc Party and Coldplay are a few examples I'd give.

There is certainly a common theme among 'music snobs' that popular music is only good if it is old enough to be considered a bit obscure, and probably 'before the time' of the 'snob' in question.

But what I'm saying is that I do like mainstream music - I just don't think that contemporary mainstream music is that great. Look at the hits The Beatles, The Stones and Elvis had as three examples; love all three of them - brilliant pop that charted, and I could name loads of others, but predominantly from the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s. Pop music - or music that charted - is poorer throughout the 00s and 10s on the whole (key bit coming up) in my opinion. Not snobbery, just in my opinion.

Now, Englebert's Release Me was a massive number 1 in 1967, for example, but I hate it. There was crap pop in those decades too, but the good pop was pretty sensational.



MGMT is a really good shout, but I don't know whether I'd necessarily class them as 'mainstream' or 'pop' (their last LP especially!) - that said, they're popular and I guess some of their singles off their first record probably did quite well? Maybe they are mainstream. Either way, I do rate them.



This is where I disagree. What I'm saying is that pop music just isn't all that anymore - on some level, it hasn't changed; there isn't much difference between Westlife and The Osmonds, say, or Steps and Brotherhood of Man, but in other respects it strikes me that it's lost it's innovation, creativity and a whole load of other things.

If someone says today that they love Bowie or T Rex, say, people will probably think that that person is a bit of music head, but if you think about it those acts were two of the biggest pop/chart stars going for a good chunk of the early/mid-70s. They were great, talented, extremely innovative and absolutely massive.

For my money, there aren't enough pop acts around these days like a lot of those artists - even guitar-based pop(ular) music is lame compared to the early/mid-90s, which is well within my lifetime. The last great, guitar-based pop period was probably 94/95/96.

I don't see any of this as snobbery, though...?

Sadly some people have nothing better to do that invent rumours.

We will be playing at the arena again next season - fact.

Quakerz - if you actually attended games and spoke to people you might actually find our facts, rather than spreading s*** on this board.

DC

The fact is, you're now a bit older, you know what you like, and you probably don't find anything released since you were in your twenties to be relevant any more, so you write it off as 'not as good' as the stuff that was either new when you were young, or old but you got in to it when you were young.

1. music snob
A person who believes s/he has a more refined taste in music and has much more knowledge in the field of music in general. Every song and genre is unacceptable unless the snob happens to like it, then it is absolute perfection. Music snobs feel obligated to enlighten everyone with unwelcome critiques and irrelivant musical trivia.

2. music snob
An especially irritating breed of tool, the music snob is a self described authority on what is or is not "good" music. The genre is irrelavant, as music snobs somehow confuse their subjective opinions with objective concrete facts across all genres of music. The music snob is quick to write off your taste in music, and often spout proudly a large number of "better" unknown and/or less "commercial" bands that if you had as good of taste as they did, you would already know about and love. The music snob can be found at low budget local record stores, probably arguing with a clerk about how no good bands cds are for sale. The music snob often prides themselves on their, again, self described "non-conformist" interests, and everyone else is merely a braindead product of MTV. The music snob fails to realize the definition of the word opinion: 1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal., and instead dilludes themselves into thinking that their opinions are more valid than those of anyone whos differ.

3. Music snob
A specimen that is prone to be of high levels of irritance to the normal person. In general, they hold the belief that their musical taste and their musical taste alone is relevant while anyone who has opposing or different opinions on music is considered stupid and won't hesitate to spew snotty remarks at you. These people are often pretentious poseurs who always make an ass out of themselves as they claim to be "non-conformist" for listening to indie bands with quirky names who have song titles that are at least ten words in length. The funny thing is, is that they don't realize that they are actually the biggest conformers out there for listening to, or claiming to listen to certain bands or genres in order to fit into a certain scene or gain some cred.

Generalizations aside, they are the Adolf Hitlers of music and if you don't like the exact same music they do, they will cut you down in ridiculous ways for having a different opinion and it often leads to broken friendships. If you find that you are friends with a music snob, do yourselves a favor and just cut them loose right away. It'll save your fist from being hit by their face when they find out you listen to mainstream. There are some who will even criticize others for not being as pedantic about music or a band as they are or even simple things as to why you are interested in the artists you like.

Yeah, all fair enough I s'pose.

What you going to do about it? Put a Cheryl record on and have a wank?

DOTU - do we have a problem?

Do you want to tell me about something you're passionate about and really into and then I'll rip you a new one for it?

Give me a break. Read the thread and understand what I'm staying instead of hiding behind copy'n'paste jobs and easy digs.

Others seemed to have managed it pretty well.

No, no problem. Just trying to wind you up!

Sadly some people have nothing better to do that invent rumours.

We will be playing at the arena again next season - fact.

Quakerz - if you actually attended games and spoke to people you might actually find our facts, rather than spreading s*** on this board.

DC

I've been listening to the Super Furry Animals over the last couple of days. I like reminding myself how good these bands were that I haven't listened to for ages.

Sadly some people have nothing better to do that invent rumours.

We will be playing at the arena again next season - fact.

Quakerz - if you actually attended games and spoke to people you might actually find our facts, rather than spreading s*** on this board.

DC

Whichever one of you recommended Alt-J (was it Jazz or Tony?), brilliant call. Absolutely love this album and have already bought it as a present for one person.

The new Maximo Park album. Quality.

Brilliant band - one of the most innovative of the last 15/20 years, for sure. I saw them live at Newcastle Uni in 96/97 and regret having not seen them since.

They'd still be great in my eyes even if they'd only ever recorded Ice Hockey Hair and Rings Around The World.

Sadly some people have nothing better to do that invent rumours.

We will be playing at the arena again next season - fact.

Quakerz - if you actually attended games and spoke to people you might actually find our facts, rather than spreading s*** on this board.

DC