FA deliberations and outcome

andydarlo · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2012 2:14 pm

I wonder if our treatement will be on an equal basis to how Protsmouth are handled as, correct me if I am wrong, they are less advanced in resolving their administration.
Be interesting to see the respective punishments

lo36789 · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2012 2:24 pm

situations are different though i'd have thought.

from what 1883 have said there is a precedent/new rules for what should happen to us if the FA don't stick to that then lawyers can take them to the cleaners.

If they are treating us as a phoenix then we must start where a phoenix club would start - although letting us compete at all next season will be admitting we are not a phoenix in my book. Therein if they are not treating us as a phoenix they can only relegate us an additional division (as per the new rules as far as I am aware)

Not sure what happened with Leeds/Pompey/Luton/Bournemouth in terms of the transfer of the football share. Did they get a new share or transfer the previous one - if they two were granted a new share to go with purchase of IP then they were not treated as a phoenix so we shouldn't be.

The FA must stick to protocol on this.

Fibonacci0112358 · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2012 3:05 pm

lo36789 wrote:

situations are different though i'd have thought.

from what 1883 have said there is a precedent/new rules for what should happen to us if the FA don't stick to that then lawyers can take them to the cleaners.

If they are treating us as a phoenix then we must start where a phoenix club would start - although letting us compete at all next season will be admitting we are not a phoenix in my book. Therein if they are not treating us as a phoenix they can only relegate us an additional division (as per the new rules as far as I am aware)

Not sure what happened with Leeds/Pompey/Luton/Bournemouth in terms of the transfer of the football share. Did they get a new share or transfer the previous one - if they two were granted a new share to go with purchase of IP then they were not treated as a phoenix so we shouldn't be.

The FA must stick to protocol on this.

Forget about the likes of Luton, Leeds et al.

It's because of their situations that the rules were changed.

But I agree about the legal situation. The FA, IMHO, would get hammered at The Court of Sport Arbitration.

Quaker-Razz · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2012 3:12 pm

if the FA must stick to protocol, what was the point of Denis Pinnegar et al pleading our case?

UTFM! · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2012 3:19 pm

Fibonacci0112358 wrote:

But I agree about the legal situation. The FA, IMHO, would get hammered at The Court of Sport Arbitration.

They might, but I highly doubt it. The FA have the financial resources to launch a protracted fight while DFC/1883 do not. And, getting a case heard in the CAS wouldn't happen overnight.

But let's say DFC/1883 did take the FA to the CAS and won their case (would never happen, of course)... the precedent would be viewed as outrageous by the FA and Darlo would need to make sure that everything they did from that point forward be absolutely squeaky clean. The FA would never forget, and surely never forgive. Any minor impropriety in the future would be crushed by the FA.

Taking a case against the FA to the CAS would be suicide for the club.

Fibonacci0112358 · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2012 3:33 pm

UTFM! wrote:

Fibonacci0112358 wrote:

But I agree about the legal situation. The FA, IMHO, would get hammered at The Court of Sport Arbitration.

They might, but I highly doubt it. The FA have the financial resources to launch a protracted fight while DFC/1883 do not. And, getting a case heard in the CAS wouldn't happen overnight.

But let's say DFC/1883 did take the FA to the CAS and won their case (would never happen, of course)... the precedent would be viewed as outrageous by the FA and Darlo would need to make sure that everything they did from that point forward be absolutely squeaky clean. The FA would never forget, and surely never forgive. Any minor impropriety in the future would be crushed by the FA.

Taking a case against the FA to the CAS would be suicide for the club.

Unfortunately, you are most likely correct.

MikeinBlack · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2012 3:49 pm

There's probably a rule hidden away in an archive somewhere - ;bringing the FA into distribute' and we'll get done for that lol

Comfortably_numb · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2012 3:55 pm

What is a shame is that the FA themselves should be taken to task for allowing single rich owners to get clubs like us into this mess. It's taken the fans and not the custodians of the game itself to rectify the mess previous chairmen have created. I would hope some level of credit and leniency should be given to any club demonstrating that they've tried to agree a CVA (external factors beyond our control have prevented this).

The hypocrisy of the situation is poignant to say the least. It's a pity the FA cannot pilunish certain individuals (even from owning football clubs in the future)

fozzovmurton · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2012 4:05 pm

Looking at what happened with Leeds they never suffered further relegation for coming out of admin wihout a CVA.

They started the following Season in the red on points as we all know, I can see us getting some kind of points deduction, as long as it is not a deduction like Luton got we should be able to claw it back, but if we end up with -30(like Luton) then it is going to be devastating, I am not quite sure what I think the FA will and dont really want to speculate

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onewayup · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2012 4:09 pm

Quaker-Razz wrote:

if the FA must stick to protocol, what was the point of Denis Pinnegar et al pleading our case?

because we have a case ,we have a football club to save. mr denis pinnegar is a darlington supporter of many years standing and as such felt he was able to help by offering his tallents to saveing our club .
i for one applaud him and the board of 1883 for what has been achieved at this stage of proceedings, he gave a very good account of our situation to the meeting last friday and i'm sure he would have done the same in london at the f.a meeting. now let's wait for where we are placed before shouting foul play by the f.a :thumbup:

Ron · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2012 4:11 pm

Forget suing the FA.

Can't be arsed to search for it, but there is a FIFA rule that allows you to sue your local FA and county FA, but if you sue your national FA you are breaking said FIFA rule, and will be suspended by FIFA.

Go for it anoraks.

The_Ponderer · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2012 6:11 pm

onewayup wrote:

Quaker-Razz wrote:

if the FA must stick to protocol, what was the point of Denis Pinnegar et al pleading our case?

because we have a case ,we have a football club to save. mr denis pinnegar is a darlington supporter of many years standing and as such felt he was able to help by offering his tallents to saveing our club .
i for one applaud him and the board of 1883 for what has been achieved at this stage of proceedings, he gave a very good account of our situation to the meeting last friday and i'm sure he would have done the same in london at the f.a meeting. now let's wait for where we are placed before shouting foul play by the f.a :thumbup:

Here here! :clap:

Denis seems a very decent and trustworthy chap and I doubt there is another Darlo fan anywhere who would have been able to do any better.

Northern soul KTF · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2012 7:08 pm

The point many of you seem to be sticking to is League Clubs! Sadly Darlo will be treated same as Scarbrough, Hornechurch etc. We are not a League Club. I think the fact we have gone to a Northern League ground says it all. I hope we just get demoted one extra division. FA to announce probable very bad news on Friday Afternoon. Darlo deserve a break from the bad luck that has beset us for a good while now. Including Feethams, don't lose sight it happend there too. You need a good team winning games to get the community backing it.

The_Ponderer · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2012 8:11 pm

Northern soul KTF wrote:

The point many of you seem to be sticking to is League Clubs! Sadly Darlo will be treated same as Scarbrough, Hornechurch etc. We are not a League Club. I think the fact we have gone to a Northern League ground says it all. I hope we just get demoted one extra division. FA to announce probable very bad news on Friday Afternoon. Darlo deserve a break from the bad luck that has beset us for a good while now. Including Feethams, don't lose sight it happend there too. You need a good team winning games to get the community backing it.

Can't decide if you're a doom-mongerer or a realist - you seem to walk in both camps!

Really though, no point coming into this forum and stating "...the FA will/won't....".
No point saying that a good team winning games will bring in more fans - very original!

Yes, there is much reference to league clubs because that's what we were before the 3 Stooges decided to use us for their own ambitions.
It is very important to look at what happened to Scarbro', Halifax and Chester - and couple more who seem to have gone under the radar - Boston and Rushden & Diamonds.
We need to learn from what the fans of these clubs have done well and what they have done badly - and we must NOT do the same as Scarborough.

If you are a fan and not a troll, then get on board and get some decent ideas thrown in.

Quaker-Razz · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2012 9:32 pm

onewayup wrote:

Quaker-Razz wrote:

if the FA must stick to protocol, what was the point of Denis Pinnegar et al pleading our case?

because we have a case ,we have a football club to save. mr denis pinnegar is a darlington supporter of many years standing and as such felt he was able to help by offering his tallents to saveing our club .
i for one applaud him and the board of 1883 for what has been achieved at this stage of proceedings, he gave a very good account of our situation to the meeting last friday and i'm sure he would have done the same in london at the f.a meeting. now let's wait for where we are placed before shouting foul play by the f.a :thumbup:

obviously my question came across as defeatist, not my intention! it was meant, tbh, as a sly remark to lo36789 [quote=''lo36789'']The FA must stick to protocol on this[/quote]

Quakerz · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2012 10:05 pm

Northern soul KTF wrote:

The point many of you seem to be sticking to is League Clubs! Sadly Darlo will be treated same as Scarbrough, Hornechurch etc.

They went BUST.

We didn't let our club die.

The_Ponderer · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2012 10:12 pm

@Quaker Razz,
Prove you're not defeatist by getting rid of those shirts you're using for your profile piccie.
They represent the worst of the old regime.

Some nice hoops might suit you better.

Northern soul KTF · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2012 10:29 pm

I'm no doomonger. But I do not live with rose coloured specs anymore either. Supported Darlo for decades. It takes 11 players to lose a game. It takes fans to turn up to keep the Club afloat. A good Manager to get the players winning. Easy to blame the man at the top. Sometimes he has to have the shoes to fit. Let's see how sweet you are in two years time. Oh apparently FA have followed the route I suggested they might. As I said chose Shildon for a reason. Best thing we can do now is appoint Martin Gray as the first step back.

The_Ponderer · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2012 10:46 pm

Northern soul KTF wrote:

I'm no doomonger. But I do not live with rose coloured specs anymore either. Supported Darlo for decades. It takes 11 players to lose a game. It takes fans to turn up to keep the Club afloat. A good Manager to get the players winning. Easy to blame the man at the top. Sometimes he has to have the shoes to fit. Let's see how sweet you are in two years time. Oh apparently FA have followed the route I suggested they might. As I said chose Shildon for a reason. Best thing we can do now is appoint Martin Gray as the first step back.

Poor reply - state the obvious then meaningless ramble!
I am amused by "...the route I suggested..."
Off you go, back under your bridge!

Quaker-Razz · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2012 10:47 pm

The_Ponderer wrote:

@Quaker Razz,
Prove you're not defeatist by getting rid of those shirts you're using for your profile piccie.
They represent the worst of the old regime.

Some nice hoops might suit you better.

waiting for the new kit to appear

Northern soul KTF · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2012 11:43 pm

Ramble my arse. I've said in previous threads while you ramble on about a dream state to suite where you would have liked the club to have been placed. I suggested the FA would do a Halifax/ Scarbourgh placement. It looks as if it may be right. On top of this probable placement is further point deduction. So go on ramble on with your rose tinted glasses

DL5 · **Posted:** Thu May 17, 2012 8:22 am

Quaker-Razz wrote:

The_Ponderer wrote:

@Quaker Razz,
Prove you're not defeatist by getting rid of those shirts you're using for your profile piccie.
They represent the worst of the old regime.

Some nice hoops might suit you better.

waiting for the new kit to appear

On that score when is the new kit coming out?, the incompetent fools have missed an opportunity to capitalise on our successful season..... :lol:

In the Northern league you probably just wear red or green bibs over a t-shirt anyway

Quakerz · **Posted:** Thu May 17, 2012 12:24 pm

Northern soul KTF wrote:

Ramble my arse. I've said in previous threads while you ramble on about a dream state to suite where you would have liked the club to have been placed. I suggested the FA would do a Halifax/ Scarbourgh placement.

Halifax and Scarborough went BUST.

Quote:

It looks as if it may be right. On top of this probable placement is further point deduction.

Where the fuck are you plucking that from?

wishmaster3211 · **Posted:** Thu May 17, 2012 12:30 pm

lo36789 wrote:

situations are different though i'd have thought.

from what 1883 have said there is a precedent/new rules for what should happen to us if the FA don't stick to that then lawyers can take them to the cleaners.

If they are treating us as a phoenix then we must start where a phoenix club would start - although letting us compete at all next season will be admitting we are not a phoenix in my book. Therein if they are not treating us as a phoenix they can only relegate us an additional division (as per the new rules as far as I am aware)

.

This is an excellent observation.

olrad · **Posted:** Thu May 17, 2012 12:34 pm

or they could not let us play at all next season...so even if its NL it's got to be better than nothing

number_one · **Posted:** Thu May 17, 2012 5:58 pm

I think the best thing we could do as fans right now is to use this message board to start as many posts as possible speculating on what the F.A. decide to do with us, what league we will play in next season, when manager interviews start and whether we need an extra turnstile at one of the seven grounds we will be at next season, this includes Darlo_Cockney's demands that we will play at the Arena.

This approach will raise awareness.

Northern soul KTF · **Posted:** Mon May 21, 2012 1:48 am

That's because he is right

jacka1960 · **Posted:** Tue May 22, 2012 8:18 am

number_one wrote:

I think the best thing we could do as fans right now is to use this message board to start as many posts as possible speculating on what the F.A. decide to do with us, what league we will play in next season, when manager interviews start and whether we need an extra turnstile at one of the seven grounds we will be at next season, this includes Darlo_Cockney's demands that we will play at the Arena.

This approach will raise awareness.

hell yeah...sensible posts then turn into personal rows between trolls/non-trolls/wannabee trolls/trollettes/trollingtons/El Trollios/Il Trollotettos/Northern Trouls/Trollz

trick is read the first couple of replies then when you get your first mention of feethams/northern league/the FA etc change threads :lol:

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