FAO charlie darlo!

Quakerz · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 10:50 am

I can't reply because nobody has approved my account on nonleaguezone, but you posted THIS...

"I wouldn't worry too much about Darlington FC. At the moment, its state of affairs can be summed up as:

No manager;
No players;
No ground;
No guarantee of a league place and
No money.

Whether it is a new club or a phoenix club is open to debate. Essentially it has exited administration without a CVA which means, whilst the new company has bought the clubs assets (goodwill, right to the name and honours etc. and some sell on rights from previous transfers), the creditors, including football creditors, get nothing.

My gut feeling is that the FA is going to clamp down hard this time. It is the third administration the club has been through, only this time the creditors have been shafted big style (2 have formally complained to the FA). What sort of message does it send out if the club is placed in the Evostick?

Don't get me wrong, I'm gutted about what's happened to a club that I've supported for over 30 years, but I want the right thing done. Why should clubs that have screwed up get preferential treatment?"

WTF are you on lad? You want "the right thing done"! And what would be that "right thing"?

It is not our fault that we were dumped in it then couldn't agree a CVA. We tried but the FA stopped it. Of course you know this so what is your game?

We are more than likely to end up in the Evostik 1N - this is THREE RELEGATIONS for one administration. Is that not enough you fucking bell? I'm sure anyone will agree that is enough punishment.

You want us in the Northern League for some sick reason - well let's face it's so you can gloat about how we should have just went bust and saved the hassle instead - pack it in man.

comeondarlo · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 11:03 am

Quakerz wrote:

I can't reply because nobody has approved my account on nonleaguezone, but you posted THIS...

"I wouldn't worry too much about Darlington FC. At the moment, its state of affairs can be summed up as:

No manager;
No players;
No ground;
No guarantee of a league place and
No money.

Whether it is a new club or a phoenix club is open to debate. Essentially it has exited administration without a CVA which means, whilst the new company has bought the clubs assets (goodwill, right to the name and honours etc. and some sell on rights from previous transfers), the creditors, including football creditors, get nothing.

My gut feeling is that the FA is going to clamp down hard this time. It is the third administration the club has been through, only this time the creditors have been shafted big style (2 have formally complained to the FA). What sort of message does it send out if the club is placed in the Evostick?

Don't get me wrong, I'm gutted about what's happened to a club that I've supported for over 30 years, but I want the right thing done. Why should clubs that have screwed up get preferential treatment?"

WTF are you on lad? You want "the right thing done"! And what would be that "right thing"?

It is not our fault that we were dumped in it then couldn't agree a CVA. We tried but the FA stopped it. Of course you know this so what is your game?

We are more than likely to end up in the Evostik 1N - this is THREE RELEGATIONS for one administration. Is that not enough you fucking bell? I'm sure anyone will agree that is enough punishment.

You want us in the Northern League for some sick reason - well let's face it's so you can gloat about how we should have just went bust and saved the hassle instead - pack it in man.

Christ you took your time but you got there in the end!

Maybe we should have two teams in the Northern League?

Charlie_Darlo · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 12:21 pm

Why shouldn't I air my views?

No doubt the FA will give you what you want anyway.

comeondarlo · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 12:25 pm

Charlie_Darlo wrote:

Why shouldn't I air my views?

No doubt the FA will give you what you want anyway.

Some people shouldn't be allowed views!

I can think of two people off the top of my head.
The letters D and C spring to mind.

loan_star · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 12:27 pm

Charlie_Darlo wrote:

Why shouldn't I air my views?

No doubt the FA will give you what you want anyway.

Charlie, you wanted the old club liquidated and start again sharing with the RA! The creditors have more chance getting money back this way than doing it your way. The players will get what they are owed as well unlike with your idea.

What is your problem????? :wtf:

we_8_poolie · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 12:29 pm

Charlie ...does the club owe you money ? Have we not paid for some cakes ?

AIDO · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 12:30 pm

The thing is Charlie must have spent a bit of time writing that up. I presume he actually believes what he wrote. A lot of Darlo fans have been on a death wish for some time now and this type of post on any webzine sort of sums them up really.

We've been punished enough without trying to punish ourselves further ffs ... :thumbdown:

Quakerz · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 12:31 pm

Charlie_Darlo wrote:

Why shouldn't I air my views?

No doubt the FA will give you what you want anyway.

What do you think I want charlie, and what makes you think it is radically different than what you want?

To be honest, and I've just thought of this, you are being a hypocrite mate. You've been going on about how we're not paying creditors (though provisions have been made to pay the players their contacts and sort out something for creditors), and how this is such a bad thing, but you are failing to recognise two things - 1) the role of Raj, remember we were trying to pay all creditors but it relied on him, and 2) if we had just folded, the creditors would have definitely got nothing. We would have also lost our history etc.

Time to get back behind YOUR club, you know, the ONE THAT WOULDN'T DIE...

Charlie_Darlo · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 2:46 pm

Quakerz wrote:

Charlie_Darlo wrote:

Why shouldn't I air my views?

No doubt the FA will give you what you want anyway.

What do you think I want charlie, and what makes you think it is radically different than what you want?

To be honest, and I've just thought of this, you are being a hypocrite mate. You've been going on about how we're not paying creditors (though provisions have been made to pay the players their contacts and sort out something for creditors), and how this is such a bad thing, but you are failing to recognise two things - 1) the role of Raj, remember we were trying to pay all creditors but it relied on him, and 2) if we had just folded, the creditors would have definitely got nothing. We would have also lost our history etc.

Time to get back behind YOUR club, you know, the ONE THAT WOULDN'T DIE...

This isn't MY club anymore, just an outfit that has bought the right to use its name etc. MY club was a professional football club that played in Darlington. For the record, regardless of what you all think of me, I'm absolutely gutted by what's happened.

I originally backed the 1883 plan as I, and many others, were led to believe that they would save the club in its present form when in reality they've led us up the proverbial "garden path" and delivered us all but a phoenix club.

As for phoenix clubs, we might as well have just gone down that route rather than going through all this. At least if we had made plans earlier, a club might have been playing in Darlington next season.

Darlofan97 · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 2:48 pm

Charlie_Darlo wrote:

Quakerz wrote:

Charlie_Darlo wrote:

Why shouldn't I air my views?

No doubt the FA will give you what you want anyway.

What do you think I want charlie, and what makes you think it is radically different than what you want?

To be honest, and I've just thought of this, you are being a hypocrite mate. You've been going on about how we're not paying creditors (though provisions have been made to pay the players their contacts and sort out something for creditors), and how this is such a bad thing, but you are failing to recognise two things - 1) the role of Raj, remember we were trying to pay all creditors but it relied on him, and 2) if we had just folded, the creditors would have definitely got nothing. We would have also lost our history etc.

Time to get back behind YOUR club, you know, the ONE THAT WOULDN'T DIE...

This isn't MY club anymore, just an outfit that has bought the right to use its name etc. MY club was a professional football club that played in Darlington. For the record, regardless of what you all think of me, I'm absolutely gutted by what's happened.

I originally backed the 1883 plan as I, and many others, were led to believe that they would save the club in its present form when in reality they've led us up the proverbial "garden path" and delivered us all but a phoenix club.

As for phoenix clubs, we might as well have just gone down that route rather than going through all this. At least if we had made plans earlier, a club might have been playing in Darlington next season.

Bye. I reckon though, if we ever get back to the Football League or BSP, you'll call it your club.

Quakerz · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 3:03 pm

Charlie_Darlo wrote:

Quakerz wrote:

Charlie_Darlo wrote:

Why shouldn't I air my views?

No doubt the FA will give you what you want anyway.

What do you think I want charlie, and what makes you think it is radically different than what you want?

To be honest, and I've just thought of this, you are being a hypocrite mate. You've been going on about how we're not paying creditors (though provisions have been made to pay the players their contacts and sort out something for creditors), and how this is such a bad thing, but you are failing to recognise two things - 1) the role of Raj, remember we were trying to pay all creditors but it relied on him, and 2) if we had just folded, the creditors would have definitely got nothing. We would have also lost our history etc.

Time to get back behind YOUR club, you know, the ONE THAT WOULDN'T DIE...

This isn't MY club anymore, just an outfit that has bought the right to use its name etc. MY club was a professional football club that played in Darlington. For the record, regardless of what you all think of me, I'm absolutely gutted by what's happened.

I originally backed the 1883 plan as I, and many others, were led to believe that they would save the club in its present form when in reality they've led us up the proverbial "garden path" and delivered us all but a phoenix club.

As for phoenix clubs, we might as well have just gone down that route rather than going through all this. At least if we had made plans earlier, a club might have been playing in Darlington next season.

They wanted to save the club as it was, but it turned out it was not possible, due to some circumstances beyond their control.

It's still our club and I can't wait for next season. Jump on board man.

GreathamDarlo · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 3:05 pm

Charlie_Darlo wrote:

Why shouldn't I air my views?

No doubt the FA will give you what you want anyway.

And what is it that YOU want the FA to do?

How can you go on a forum with Darlo in your username and do nothing but slag off the club you say you once supported?

Why don't you change your username (i'm sure some on here may have some suggestions!) and go to another forum and pedal your poison with some other like minded ex Darlo supporters and let those of us that are still behind the club enjoy the excitement of another season we thought we'd never have.

OR

you could forget the bitterness, put it behind you and come to Shildon for what I reckon could be one of the best for quite a few years!!!!

anus · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 3:05 pm

Some of our fans aren't the brightest in the tin! Bye Charlie enjoy the RA.

comeondarlo · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 3:07 pm

anus wrote:

Some of our fans aren't the brightest in the tin! Bye Charlie enjoy the RA.

Yeh, fuck off Charlie

quakerray · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 3:08 pm

charlie this is still the club we have fought for, yes its been a hammer blow and going to take a while to get used to but were still here, whether its a drab afternoon in shildon or not.
we'll always be darlo till we die.

mikkyx · **Joined:** Sun Jul 05, 2009 5:52 pm **Posts:** 3225

Would it still be "your club" if we'd sunk this low through "natural" means Charlie? Or can you only support us if we're a full time, Conference at worst club?

Charlie_Darlo · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 3:14 pm

GreathamDarlo wrote:

Charlie_Darlo wrote:

Why shouldn't I air my views?

No doubt the FA will give you what you want anyway.

And what is it that YOU want the FA to do?

How can you go on a forum with Darlo in your username and do nothing but slag off the club you say you once supported?

Why don't you change your username (i'm sure some on here may have some suggestions!) and go to another forum and pedal your poison with some other like minded ex Darlo supporters and let those of us that are still behind the club enjoy the excitement of another season we thought we'd never have.

OR

you could forget the bitterness, put it behind you and come to Shildon for what I reckon could be one of the best for quite a few years!!!!

Anyone who knows me personally will know how much the club fucking meant to me and how its decline and demise has made me feel. I've been going to games for over 30 years, longer than many of the posters on here have been alive.

My first choice was to have DFC saved. This is not DFC.

The solution that has been delivered could easily have been achieved by the trust or other groups. When I made similar suggestions for a phoenix club (groundshare, playing at Blackwell etc), I was shot to pieces, now it is being heralded as DFC the great new beginning.

Darlofan97 · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 3:17 pm

Charlie_Darlo wrote:

GreathamDarlo wrote:

Charlie_Darlo wrote:

Why shouldn't I air my views?

No doubt the FA will give you what you want anyway.

And what is it that YOU want the FA to do?

How can you go on a forum with Darlo in your username and do nothing but slag off the club you say you once supported?

Why don't you change your username (i'm sure some on here may have some suggestions!) and go to another forum and pedal your poison with some other like minded ex Darlo supporters and let those of us that are still behind the club enjoy the excitement of another season we thought we'd never have.

OR

you could forget the bitterness, put it behind you and come to Shildon for what I reckon could be one of the best for quite a few years!!!!

Anyone who knows me personally will know how much the club fucking meant to me and how its decline and demise has made me feel. I've been going to games for over 30 years, longer than many of the posters on here have been alive.

My first choice was to have DFC saved. This is not DFC.

The solution that has been delivered could easily have been achieved by the trust or other groups. When I made similar suggestions for a phoenix club (groundshare, playing at Blackwell etc), I was shot to pieces, now it is being heralded as DFC the great new beginning.

They probably shot you down because saving the club in the BSP/BSN was better than starting off all again. Things change, Charlie.

Hilly · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 3:18 pm

Charlie_Darlo wrote:

GreathamDarlo wrote:

Charlie_Darlo wrote:

Why shouldn't I air my views?

No doubt the FA will give you what you want anyway.

And what is it that YOU want the FA to do?

How can you go on a forum with Darlo in your username and do nothing but slag off the club you say you once supported?

Why don't you change your username (i'm sure some on here may have some suggestions!) and go to another forum and pedal your poison with some other like minded ex Darlo supporters and let those of us that are still behind the club enjoy the excitement of another season we thought we'd never have.

OR

you could forget the bitterness, put it behind you and come to Shildon for what I reckon could be one of the best for quite a few years!!!!

Anyone who knows me personally will know how much the club fucking meant to me and how its decline and demise has made me feel. I've been going to games for over 30 years, longer than many of the posters on here have been alive.

My first choice was to have DFC saved. This is not DFC.

The solution that has been delivered could easily have been achieved by the trust or other groups. When I made similar suggestions for a phoenix club (groundshare, playing at Blackwell etc), I was shot to pieces, now it is being heralded as DFC the great new beginning.

How could this outcome have been delivered by The Trust?

tdk1 · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 3:18 pm

How would you have 'saved' DFC then? Raised an extra million pounds to pay creditors, then a further couple of million to spend THIS SUMMER to build a new stadium for next season, which would have to be completed by, ooh, about now I reckon.

We haven't ended up with a perfect scenario, that's fine, c'est la vie. But there really were no other alternatives as I see it.

If you say you wanted DFC saving, tell me how it would have been done, and where this in-town groundshare would have been.

It actually upsets me how negative some people are being about this opportunity.

loan_star · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 3:19 pm

No matter what the outcome I think Charlie would have complained, just like a minority of other people on here. He was all for starting again in the Northern League, playing at the RA not so long ago.
He changes his mind as often as he changes his pants.

Charlie_Darlo · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 3:21 pm

Darlofan97 wrote:

Charlie_Darlo wrote:

GreathamDarlo wrote:

Charlie_Darlo wrote:

Why shouldn't I air my views?

No doubt the FA will give you what you want anyway.

And what is it that YOU want the FA to do?

How can you go on a forum with Darlo in your username and do nothing but slag off the club you say you once supported?

Why don't you change your username (i'm sure some on here may have some suggestions!) and go to another forum and pedal your poison with some other like minded ex Darlo supporters and let those of us that are still behind the club enjoy the excitement of another season we thought we'd never have.

OR

you could forget the bitterness, put it behind you and come to Shildon for what I reckon could be one of the best for quite a few years!!!!

Anyone who knows me personally will know how much the club fucking meant to me and how its decline and demise has made me feel. I've been going to games for over 30 years, longer than many of the posters on here have been alive.

My first choice was to have DFC saved. This is not DFC.

The solution that has been delivered could easily have been achieved by the trust or other groups. When I made similar suggestions for a phoenix club (groundshare, playing at Blackwell etc), I was shot to pieces, now it is being heralded as DFC the great new beginning.

They probably shot you down because saving the club in the BSP/BSN was better than starting off all again. Things change, Charlie.

They haven't delivered that, though, have they? Nowhere near, but they led people to believe they could.

The club could still yet have to start in the Wearside League.

quakerray · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 3:22 pm

loan_star · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 3:27 pm

Charlie_Darlo wrote:

They haven't delivered that, though, have they? Nowhere near, but they led people to believe they could.

The club could still yet have to start in the Wearside League.

We all know the reason why they couldnt deliver! The trust would have had the same problem as Singh was not going to back down. He is the reason we have to go down this route.
You wanted it to start again, what the hell is your problem?

Charlie_Darlo · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 3:28 pm

loan_star wrote:

No matter what the outcome I think Charlie would have complained, just like a minority of other people on here. He was all for starting again in the Northern League, playing at the RA not so long ago.
He changes his mind as often as he changes his pants.

Robbo, I set out alternatives for a phoenix club which I was blasted for, which at one stage included a groundshare at Bishop. What we are getting as a result of "saving DFC" is very little, if at all (we could still be placed lower than the Evostik), better.

I also seem to recall saying the RA wasn't suitable due to its size location. If you can find one of my posts which says different, than apologies.

loan_star · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 3:30 pm

Yes so you set out plans for a phoenix club and yet you are complaining about something thats one step better than what you had plans for!!!

al_quaker · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 3:31 pm

Charlie_Darlo wrote:

loan_star wrote:

No matter what the outcome I think Charlie would have complained, just like a minority of other people on here. He was all for starting again in the Northern League, playing at the RA not so long ago.
He changes his mind as often as he changes his pants.

Robbo, I set out alternatives for a phoenix club which I was blasted for, which at one stage included a groundshare at Bishop. What we are getting as a result of "saving DFC" is very little, if at all (we could still be placed lower than the Evostik), better.

I also seem to recall saying the RA wasn't suitable due to its size location. If you can find one of my posts which says different, than apologies.

So your idea was to start again much lower down the pyramid, ground sharing out of Darlington. What has been achieved is pretty much starting again much lower down the pyramid, ground sharing out of Darlington.

The only differences I see are that we've managed to keep our history, which is a bonus. So I'm struggling to understand why are so against it? Unless of course you wanted to be the one leading the club?

comeondarlo · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 3:37 pm

al_quaker wrote:

Charlie_Darlo wrote:

loan_star wrote:

No matter what the outcome I think Charlie would have complained, just like a minority of other people on here. He was all for starting again in the Northern League, playing at the RA not so long ago.
He changes his mind as often as he changes his pants.

Robbo, I set out alternatives for a phoenix club which I was blasted for, which at one stage included a groundshare at Bishop. What we are getting as a result of "saving DFC" is very little, if at all (we could still be placed lower than the Evostik), better.

I also seem to recall saying the RA wasn't suitable due to its size location. If you can find one of my posts which says different, than apologies.

So your idea was to start again much lower down the pyramid, ground sharing out of Darlington. What has been achieved is pretty much starting again much lower down the pyramid, ground sharing out of Darlington.

The only differences I see are that we've managed to keep our history, which is a bonus. So I'm struggling to understand why are so against it? Unless of course you wanted to be the one leading the club?

Nail on the head, he wanted to be involved. He wants to be important, he's deluded.

I was told by him a few months ago to 'watch this space' and 'you'll see'

Still waiting, the blokes a clown of the highest order

Charlie_Darlo · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 3:45 pm

al_quaker wrote:

Charlie_Darlo wrote:

loan_star wrote:

No matter what the outcome I think Charlie would have complained, just like a minority of other people on here. He was all for starting again in the Northern League, playing at the RA not so long ago.
He changes his mind as often as he changes his pants.

Robbo, I set out alternatives for a phoenix club which I was blasted for, which at one stage included a groundshare at Bishop. What we are getting as a result of "saving DFC" is very little, if at all (we could still be placed lower than the Evostik), better.

I also seem to recall saying the RA wasn't suitable due to its size location. If you can find one of my posts which says different, than apologies.

So your idea was to start again much lower down the pyramid, ground sharing out of Darlington. What has been achieved is pretty much starting again much lower down the pyramid, ground sharing out of Darlington.

The only differences I see are that we've managed to keep our history, which is a bonus. So I'm struggling to understand why are so against it? Unless of course you wanted to be the one leading the club?

What I'm against is being led up the proverbial garden path. 1883 came in replacing the rescue group with this plan to save a senior club and now what we are left with is little different to a phoenix club.

And for the record, I don't want to lead anything. I was foolish enough to suggest and actively explore alternatives, including funding, yet deferred to those supposedly better placed than me.

Quakerz · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 3:48 pm

Charlie_Darlo wrote:

GreathamDarlo wrote:

Charlie_Darlo wrote:

Why shouldn't I air my views?

No doubt the FA will give you what you want anyway.

And what is it that YOU want the FA to do?

How can you go on a forum with Darlo in your username and do nothing but slag off the club you say you once supported?

Why don't you change your username (i'm sure some on here may have some suggestions!) and go to another forum and pedal your poison with some other like minded ex Darlo supporters and let those of us that are still behind the club enjoy the excitement of another season we thought we'd never have.

OR

you could forget the bitterness, put it behind you and come to Shildon for what I reckon could be one of the best for quite a few years!!!!

Anyone who knows me personally will know how much the club fucking meant to me and how its decline and demise has made me feel. I've been going to games for over 30 years, longer than many of the posters on here have been alive.

My first choice was to have DFC saved. This is not DFC.

The solution that has been delivered could easily have been achieved by the trust or other groups. When I made similar suggestions for a phoenix club (groundshare, playing at Blackwell etc), I was shot to pieces, now it is being heralded as DFC the great new beginning.

I never shot you to pieces about that, and we'd have been playing at a lower level as a phoenix club without the history. Also we'd have stiffed all of the creditors by going bust, something you seem to object this club doing, even though it's possible that creditors will get something.

I think maybe with hindsight, had we known for absolute certain that we couldn't get past Raj, and had we known that we'd end up in the Evostik at best, we'd have wrapped it in. But we didn't know that and had to try.

All the trust would have achieved would be the club going bust before they got their finger out, unfortunately.

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