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General Election 2017

Post by lo36789 » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:53 pm

So here we go...snap election. Woo more politics. Any predictions for how the Commons will be formed on the 9th June?

I'm going for Tory win, SNP to retain Scotland, Labour to lose significantly to the Lib Dems (who will push an anti-Brexit policy to take a decent chunk of Labour's share of the 48%)

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by Quakerz » Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:11 pm

The Tories will absolutely piss it.

Labour currently offer no real opposition.
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Re: General Election 2017

Post by BUSHEAD » Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:03 pm

Approx 600 seats isn't there in total ?

Tories 350
Labour 150
SNP 50
Lib Dems 35
Others 15
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Re: General Election 2017

Post by Spyman » Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:30 pm

BUSHEAD wrote:Approx 600 seats isn't there in total ?

Tories 350
Labour 150
SNP 50
Lib Dems 35
Others 15
Oh right. Let's just scrap the election in that case!

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by Jamm » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:21 pm

Tories will win by 200+ seats. Now they are no longer an EU party I am happy to vote for them.
Commie Corbyn's Labour will shout a lot about the NHS which they messed up with debt, and be annihilated.
Minor Fart will continue the decline of Limp Dims but take a few Remoaner votes from Liebore.
UKIP will discover that their new raison d'etre is to take votes off Labour. But still get no MPs.
Watermelons (green on the outside red on the inside) will call everyone nazis, whilst calling for everything to be banned and have greater state control.
Scottish Natsi Party will say "oi yoooo English bastaaarrd, it's all your fault", lose seats to Tories but still beat McScottishLabour.
Northern Ireland will be a 52-48 split along Loyalist/fenian divide.
The Bus Pass Elvis Party will beat the Lib Dims again.
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Re: General Election 2017

Post by Jamm » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:26 pm

BUSHEAD wrote:Approx 600 seats isn't there in total ?

Tories 350
Labour 150
SNP 50
Lib Dems 35
Others 15
There are 650 seats in total. Scotland/Wales/NI have too many seats when population per seat taken into account. Then there's devolution.

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by Jamm » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:28 pm

Anyway, I'm bored of the election now. Several weeks of sanctimonious sh1te on the news. Joy.

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by BUSHEAD » Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:09 pm

Spyman wrote:
BUSHEAD wrote:Approx 600 seats isn't there in total ?

Tories 350
Labour 150
SNP 50
Lib Dems 35
Others 15
Oh right. Let's just scrap the election in that case!

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by Darlo_Pete » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:22 pm

Labour are incapable of winning an election, because they are too radical and divided under Corbyn and because with them not able to count on getting the 50 or so Scottish MP's they used to get before SNP took over in Scotland, they will never get a majority. Good call by May to call a snap election, the only downside is that Labour won't keep Corbyn after they lose the election.

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by Darlo_H » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:35 pm

Have to give it to Theresa May for timing.

She knows Labour will drag every bit of Brexit negotiation as much as they can under the guise of it 'not being the Brexit people voted for'. Now they have to contest a general election in eight weeks with a massively unpopular leader with an equally unpopular message, party infighting and a complete lack of charisma or gravitas. If anything they'll lose votes to the Lib Dems, who themselves are pretty much irrelevant these days.

UKIP has lost most of it's steam after the referendum, the SNP can win Scotland with little impact on the Brexit negotiations and so the Conservatives get a clear mandate to push things through.

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by Darlo_Pete » Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:37 pm

This election could be the most one sided elections for many a year. All the marginal seats being talked about are labour seats not conservative one's that labour need to win to win the election. Bet Jenny Chapman will be a bit worried about holding her seat.

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Post by BUSHEAD » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:59 pm

Darlo_H wrote:Have to give it to Theresa May for timing.

She knows Labour will drag every bit of Brexit negotiation as much as they can under the guise of it 'not being the Brexit people voted for'. Now they have to contest a general election in eight weeks with a massively unpopular leader with an equally unpopular message, party infighting and a complete lack of charisma or gravitas. If anything they'll lose votes to the Lib Dems, who themselves are pretty much irrelevant these days.

UKIP has lost most of it's steam after the referendum, the SNP can win Scotland with little impact on the Brexit negotiations and so the Conservatives get a clear mandate to push things through.

I'm far from a die-hard Tory, but given a choice between May, Corbyn or Fallon I know who I'd back to run the country.
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A mistake loads of people keep saying.
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Re: General Election 2017

Post by Darlo_H » Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:07 am

BUSHEAD wrote: Reminder that your voting for your local MP, not leader of the country.
A mistake loads of people keep saying.
"I can't vote for Corbyn" , good news is that your not . (Unless you live in his constituency of course )
Fair point, though my Labour candidate is Rachel Maskell. She makes Corbyn look center-left. Absolute loony.
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Post by DarloOnTheUp » Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:40 am

BUSHEAD wrote:Reminder that your voting for your local MP, not leader of the country.
A mistake loads of people keep saying.
"I can't vote for Corbyn" , good news is that your not . (Unless you live in his constituency of course )
Aye but the overall results determine who will become the next Prime Minister, so technically you're voting for both.

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by Darlo_Pete » Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:34 am

Labour's problems can be shown by my daughter-in-law. She is eligible to vote for the first time and hates Theresa May, blames her for everything that she perceives is going wrong with the country. But she won't vote at the General Election, as she doesn't think Labour has any chance, so won't waste her time voting. I can see the vote being down significantly as Labour voters don't bother to vote, so leading to a Tory landslide victory.

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by Spyman » Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:11 am

Darlo_Pete wrote:Labour's problems can be shown by my daughter-in-law. She is eligible to vote for the first time and hates Theresa May, blames her for everything that she perceives is going wrong with the country. But she won't vote at the General Election, as she doesn't think Labour has any chance, so won't waste her time voting. I can see the vote being down significantly as Labour voters don't bother to vote, so leading to a Tory landslide victory.
I assume you've explained to her how stupid she is?

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by lo36789 » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:52 am

I've actually checked and my local constituency was 53.8% Labour last time out - it went up 11.8% taking votes from both the Tories and Lib Dems.

There is still a fair swing required in Darlington for Jenny Chapman to lose her seat. She was 10% ahead of Tories last time out.

Think it will be interesting where the 5,000 odd UKIP voters go this time round. It was the Lib Dems who lost out mostly.

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by Darlo_Pete » Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:27 pm

One things for sure, UKIP voters won't be going to the Lib Dems. I'd imagine most will go the Tories and the rest to Labour and probably a sizeable minority will not bother to vote.

I bet Jenny Chapman is relieved that he new boundary change proposals won't come into play this election, at least it gives her a chance of holding on.

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Post by theoriginalfatcat » Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:22 am

Darlo_Pete wrote: But she won't vote at the General Election, as she doesn't think Labour has any chance, so won't waste her time voting.
It wouldn't take much time though, ..... she must be a very very busy person.
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Re: General Election 2017

Post by Darlo_Pete » Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:52 pm

theoriginalfatcat wrote:
Darlo_Pete wrote: But she won't vote at the General Election, as she doesn't think Labour has any chance, so won't waste her time voting.
It wouldn't take much time though, ..... she must be a very very busy person.
Just a typical teenager and no she won't change her mind.

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by Darlo_Pete » Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:07 pm

I see the latest odds on which party will win the most seats in the next parliament, has the tories at 1/16 on and labour at 10/1.

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by lo36789 » Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:53 am

Darlo_Pete wrote:I see the latest odds on which party will win the most seats in the next parliament, has the tories at 1/16 on and labour at 10/1.
tbf given the situation you might as well pile on the Tories...is there really that much risk? Not particularly generous odds from a labour perspective.

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Post by Darlo_Pete » Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:14 am

lo36789 wrote:
Darlo_Pete wrote:I see the latest odds on which party will win the most seats in the next parliament, has the tories at 1/16 on and labour at 10/1.
tbf given the situation you might as well pile on the Tories...is there really that much risk? Not particularly generous odds from a labour perspective.
There's always an element of risk though. Remember that business lady who bet £50k or £70k betting on us staying in Europe, when the Brexit vote happened? Plus you'd have to bet £16 just to win £1, as you say not very generous odds.

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by lo36789 » Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:19 am

You think there is equal chance of labour winning the election than Brexit? I am not convinced the gap between labour/tory now is closer than Brexit/no Brexit...

As I say I think 1/16 is quite generous for the Tories. I think 10/1 for labour isn't generous.

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by Darlo_Pete » Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:36 am

No of course not, the Conservatives will win the election hands down, as the opposition is all over the place.

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by Darlo_Pete » Sat Apr 29, 2017 1:58 pm

Latest odds on the Conservatives winning the most seats 1/20, Labour out to 12/1.

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by Darlo_Pete » Fri May 05, 2017 8:47 am

Not a good night for Labour in the local elections as they lose a whole raft of councillors and a few councils, with many more to declare. It'll be interesting to see how the mayoral election goes in the Tees Valley, which should clearly be a strong labour hold, but we'll see.

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by lo36789 » Fri May 05, 2017 9:50 am

Progressive politics needs a collective rethink. They are all over the place and haven't come up with an answer to issues around the world which are concerning people.

It's simply not good enough to blame and label people for not agreeing with them and that is all I see on social media at the moment.

There was something I was considering the other day about the living wage foundation (happen to know someone who works there who plasters stuff all over about employers should be giving a living wage) and it is a constant barrage of blame attached to business owners with seemingly no consideration around the actual cost and impact that sort of change could have.

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by theoriginalfatcat » Fri May 05, 2017 2:11 pm

I was thinking -it's proposed that everyone gets paid at least £10 per hour. But all the people on £10 an hour now or higher, will want to keep their differential rate because they've worked hard and trained to get it. I mean what's the point in training to be a Joiner if you get paid similar to an unskilled labourer?

So ALL workers will get a big pay rise thus making everything we buy or do more expensive - probably negating the benefits of getting the pay rise in the first place.

Maybe ??
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Re: General Election 2017

Post by Darlo_Pete » Fri May 05, 2017 2:42 pm

Wow the Conservatives win the Tess Valley Mayoral Election. Wonder how the 5 Labour controlled councils feel about that? Bet they're glad there wasn't council elections in their areas this time round.

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