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Jenny Chapman's resignation

Post by Mr_Tibbs » Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:42 am

She seems to be getting a good slapping in the comments she's been receiving here...

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Re: Jenny Chapman's resignation

Post by TFDM » Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:04 am

Doesn't really matter what Corbyn does... some people in the labour party don't want to be led full stop. Corbyn won the backing of rank and file members but instead of getting on with things certain MPs in the party have been waiting to stick the knife in for a long while. If they don't want to be led then they should quit the party entirely. That way it can be repopulated with people who are willing to support their leader and the will of members. That includes Jenny Chapman unfortunately.

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Re: Jenny Chapman's resignation

Post by Darlo_Pete » Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:28 pm

No surprise that Chapman has jumped ship, she probably reckons her prospects are better with some new Labour leader. I do think Labour are unelectable if Corbyn remains there leader. So let's hope Corbyn stays on. :lol:

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Re: Jenny Chapman's resignation

Post by Feethams 1966 » Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:57 pm

I don't live in the constituency and am not a Labour supporter so whilst not qualified to vote, I do have an opinion.
It seems to me that those who set the agenda in the Labour party are influenced by those who pay them, e.g. the unions, and they want us to be in the EU.
However, many Labour supporters wanted to be out, and expressed that view clearly last week. Unfortunately for them, nobody in the Labour party was listening beforehand, and it doesn't look like they are now.
As for Jenny Chapman, the one thing I do know about her was that she is a hard working constituency MP who got stuck in up to her neck to help our football club during the administration; she didn't have to. And she's supported us and maintained an interest ever since.
As for Labour, they need to sort themselves out as it's vital to have an effective Opposition to the government. Rightly or wrongly, more people voted for brexit than didn't, so whoever aspires to run the country needs to appoint a leadership prepared to accept and respect the voters' decision and act on it wholeheartedly.

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Re: Jenny Chapman's resignation

Post by lo36789 » Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:01 pm

Darlo_Pete wrote: So let's hope Corbyn stays on.
We apparently just got our democracy back - bit bloody pointless if we don't have a worthy opposition thought this could be one of the outcomes of Brexit.

I still think it's a shame Chuka Umunna pulled out last time.

Whilst people uphold that 'the membership voted', was it not basically people paying £3 with no history of being in the labour party who were allowed to vote. Be interesting to know if you gave it a year how many have renewed their membership.

I am not so sure that Corbyn engaged the electorate as much as he managed to inspire a few jokers.

It had very similar feel to the Rage Against Machine and Boaty McBoatface voting events of recent times.

I read before from a Brexiter that figures suggested 62% of labour voted remain so I am not sure about the above opinion. I am not sure I believe this as I can't understand how Brexit won where it won.

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Re: Jenny Chapman's resignation

Post by TFDM » Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:02 pm

Be surprised if he survives now. Looks like they've got what they wanted. Know a few long term Labour Party members and they want him to stay. MPs in the Labour Party never really united behind him. No doubt we'll end up with a slightly reworked version of the Tories which is a shame. Will concede he didn't cover himself in glory during the recent campaign but neither did anyone else really.

Regardless the in fighting of the last few months and beyond just puts them in an awful position. Unless they either unite behind a leader and decide what they actually want to be then they'll get destroyed in a general election.

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Re: Jenny Chapman's resignation

Post by Hawkeye » Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:59 pm

lo36789 wrote:
Darlo_Pete wrote: So let's hope Corbyn stays on.
We apparently just got our democracy back - bit bloody pointless if we don't have a worthy opposition
This.

Now that the Conservatives have an outright majority and no longer have to navigate around the Lib Dems, without an effective opposition they can essentially do and say whatever the fuck they feel like (as long as they're not in breach of EU regulations, that is ;) ). For everybody's sake, except for maybe the country's very highest earners, parliament needs a proper opposition, and as much as I respect some of his principles I don't think he's capable of leading such an opposition. I know it's a bit premature to judge a party leader on their prime ministerial credentials when you haven't yet seen them eat a bacon sandwich, but I just can't see Corbyn getting Labour across the line in this life or the next.

Regardless of sides and ideology, I think the damage is done now. While Corbyn is still in charge - rightly or wrongly - the party will never unite. Realpolitik dictates that a replacement is needed.

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Re: Jenny Chapman's resignation

Post by Henley » Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:38 pm

Hawkeye wrote:
lo36789 wrote:
Darlo_Pete wrote: So let's hope Corbyn stays on.
We apparently just got our democracy back - bit bloody pointless if we don't have a worthy opposition
This.

Now that the Conservatives have an outright majority and no longer have to navigate around the Lib Dems, without an effective opposition they can essentially do and say whatever the fuck they feel like (as long as they're not in breach of EU regulations, that is ;) ). For everybody's sake, except for maybe the country's very highest earners, parliament needs a proper opposition, and as much as I respect some of his principles I don't think he's capable of leading such an opposition. I know it's a bit premature to judge a party leader on their prime ministerial credentials when you haven't yet seen them eat a bacon sandwich, but I just can't see Corbyn getting Labour across the line in this life or the next.

Regardless of sides and ideology, I think the damage is done now. While Corbyn is still in charge - rightly or wrongly - the party will never unite. Realpolitik dictates that a replacement is needed.
Of course, Corbyn wouldn't win a GE - that was obvious from the start - but he does have more principles than most politicians so he deserves a shot at a GE.

The fact I'm right of centre is irrelevant :shifty:

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Re: Jenny Chapman's resignation

Post by tezza » Wed Jun 29, 2016 11:37 am

There are a cancerous few in the Labour Party who put themselves above everything and anything. Democracy, principles and moral fibre included. The rank and file spoke in the last Labour election and they could not accept that decision, the electorate have spoken in this latest round of democracy ..and still they choose to ignore the result ..rather they seek an opportunity to seek and exact revenge, rather than focus on the opposition division. Their party prime responsibility being to be a credible opposition. Amuna, Cooper and Burnham leave and buy light blue suits on the way out.

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Re: Jenny Chapman's resignation

Post by tezza » Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:45 pm

Perhaps the greatest compliment made to Jeremy Corbyn is when the opposition leader, whilst in power, albeit temporary calls for him to go. There has been a serious mis judgement of the publics mood, dismay in the current political system, by all political parties. The hopelessness of career politicians and their selfish " sod you lot I am all right" attitude, has provoked a readiness for change in this country, maybe beyond. Generations without any real hope of improvement in prospects, whilst the prosperity gap increases for the privileged could be coming home to roost. His name escapes me ..but there is an American Billionaire ( not Trump I hasten to add) who has warned that we are about a decade away from absolute anarchy if the division of wealth is not more evenly spread. I also recall a saying from an prominent African revolutionary .. "If the West will not stop exploiting Africa and equally divide the economic gains to assist the removal of poverty ... then Africa will export its poverty to the world" that is certainly occurring.

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Re: Jenny Chapman's resignation

Post by Mr_Tibbs » Wed Jun 29, 2016 1:58 pm

So, all this has nothing to do with the publication of the Chilcot report next week?

He sounds like a man of great principles. Go Jeremy, hang on in there!

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Re: Jenny Chapman's resignation

Post by Darlo_Pete » Wed Jun 29, 2016 7:03 pm

Angela Eagle is to stand against Corbyn. Saw her on the Referendum Result show on BBC, I was very underwhelmed.

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Re: Jenny Chapman's resignation

Post by Henley » Wed Jun 29, 2016 9:04 pm

Darlo_Pete wrote:Angela Eagle is to stand against Corbyn. Saw her on the Referendum Result show on BBC, I was very underwhelmed.
She wasn't that good! She was effing dog eggs. Jez is a better orator.

And I thought I heard this evening that she wasn't going to stand against Sir Jez?

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Re: Jenny Chapman's resignation

Post by Darlo_Pete » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:32 am

I don't know who would be better for the Conservatives Corbyn or Eagle? Eagle has the backing of 51 Labour MP's, so looks like it'll be between those two.

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Re: Jenny Chapman's resignation

Post by Henley » Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:34 am

Darlo_Pete wrote:I don't know who would be better for the Conservatives Corbyn or Eagle? Eagle has the backing of 51 Labour MP's, so looks like it'll be between those two.
Yeah, it looks like she will challenge now. It was said yesterday at about 7pm that she wouldn't.

I'm with Jez - the only thing he can be judged on is the Council Elections and (partly) the London Mayorship. Neither were bad results.

The Blairites need to split and go to the Lib Dems and let Labour return to their true roots.

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Re: Jenny Chapman's resignation

Post by joejaques » Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:24 pm

Whether or not you think Corbyn could win an election, it is a fact that there is nobody else who would lead Labour as a socialist party. We will again have pale blue Bliarites as a supposed opposition rubber stamping Tory cuts. I fear there will never be a true Labour party again. :roll:
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Re: Jenny Chapman's resignation

Post by Henley » Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:40 pm

joejaques wrote:Whether or not you think Corbyn could win an election, it is a fact that there is nobody else who would lead Labour as a socialist party. We will again have pale blue Bliarites as a supposed opposition rubber stamping Tory cuts. I fear there will never be a true Labour party again. :roll:
There's no guarantee the current Blairite MPs will be put up for a GE so there is hope for a more socialist Labour long term.

What Momentum have done is hijacked the Labour Party and it's understandable why - there is a ready-made infrastructure - but they also have the moral highground as they can say they're returning Labour to what it was and supposed to be and are kicking out the Blairite cuckoos from the nest.

Keep fighting, comrades. :clap:

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Re: Jenny Chapman's resignation

Post by tezza » Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:48 pm

Stick it out Jeremy ... go back to the members ... the support for you will increase ...then when you can say to the plotters "actually you seem out of kilter with the membership" pass them the sword to fall on. Insist as they were selected by the members, the de selection process is initiated with immediate effect. ... this is al very SDLP Williams & Owens like. ,,, ... Angela Eagle cannot string a sentence together , arch plotter Chgukka Amouna needs his hand amputated to silence him .. and the insincere Burnham / Cooper need a dose of unemployment to experience what the people they seem intent on leaving behind have suffered.

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Re: Jenny Chapman's resignation

Post by Darlo_Pete » Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:17 pm

It's a sad reflection on Labour, that the best they can come up with is Corbyn or Eagle. I can't see Labour challenging for power anytime soon and if the Scots ever go dependent, they'll be lucky to ever get in power again.

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Re: Jenny Chapman's resignation

Post by Mr_Tibbs » Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:53 pm

Dear revolting MPs... [good start :lol: ]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/tahir-n ... 32778.html

Eagle's delayed her announcement that she is going to stand. I see her constituents have raised a petition demanding that she resigns as their MP.

Maybe she's actually listening to them now?

Jenny C says on Facebook that she wasn't part of the planned 24 hour resignation blitz mentioned in the above letter as the rationale behind what she did was solely her own personal beliefs after having spoken to thousands of her constituents in Darlo.

If Corbyn goes then that is the end of the Labour Party - his supporters (and there appear to be a great many of them) will leave with him.

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Re: Jenny Chapman's resignation

Post by lo36789 » Thu Jun 30, 2016 7:13 pm

We need labour to unite around their leaders. We need the greens, SNP and Lib Dems to work with labour to understand their common aims - more explicitly what is it that they oppose. None have the ability to gain a majority mainly due to SNPs domination in Scotland.

A GE is coming and which ever party says within their manifesto they would look for a soft exit from the EU has a fair chance of getting 48% of the vote in the bag.

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Re: Jenny Chapman's resignation

Post by Henley » Thu Jun 30, 2016 7:56 pm

Why are you saying a GE is coming when May has ruled it out (and I suspect Gove will too to ensure Brexit goes ahead)?

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Re: Jenny Chapman's resignation

Post by lo36789 » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:15 pm

The same way everyone else does - political news reports. To be honest been on a course all day today and havnt had much signal on way back so havnt had chance to catch up on the latest. Yesterday there seemed to be a suggestion that a new PM for the Tories would want to have a mandate to work from coz at the moment they don't have one - it is just simple 'exit'.

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Re: Jenny Chapman's resignation

Post by Henley » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:29 pm

lo36789 wrote:The same way everyone else does - political news reports. To be honest been on a course all day today and havnt had much signal on way back so havnt had chance to catch up on the latest. Yesterday there seemed to be a suggestion that a new PM for the Tories would want to have a mandate to work from coz at the moment they don't have one - it is just simple 'exit'.
You need to catch up on today's news.

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Re: Jenny Chapman's resignation

Post by Mr_Tibbs » Fri Jul 01, 2016 5:23 pm

This should be good...

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Re: Jenny Chapman's resignation

Post by princes town » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:05 am

Jenny isn't a bad local mp but she is a dedicated blairite who us making an ass of herself on this issue. Has she really done a lot for DFC? Didn't see her at any of the play off finals.

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Re: Jenny Chapman's resignation

Post by Darlo_Pete » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:27 am

Your right, I've never seen her at a Darlo game.

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Re: Jenny Chapman's resignation

Post by Darlogramps » Sun Jul 03, 2016 8:29 am

I forgot - being a Darlington season ticket holder is a pre-requisite for being the town's MP.

You might disagree with her politics, but to say she couldn't give a stuff about the football club because she didn't go to our play-off games 2 seasons ago is nonsense.

She's worked hard with the club, the rugby club and the council over our ground move.

Helping us with a move back into the town is a far more important contribution than turning up to a couple of matches.

To say otherwise is just moronic and cretinous.
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Re: Jenny Chapman's resignation

Post by Darlo_H » Sun Jul 03, 2016 10:23 am

Darlogramps wrote:I forgot - being a Darlington season ticket holder is a pre-requisite for being the town's MP.

You might disagree with her politics, but to say she couldn't give a stuff about the football club because she didn't go to our play-off games 2 seasons ago is nonsense.

She's worked hard with the club, the rugby club and the council over our ground move.

Helping us with a move back into the town is a far more important contribution than turning up to a couple of matches.

To say otherwise is just moronic and cretinous.
I agree.

'I won't vote for her because she didn't attend a couple of matches at the local lower league football club.' - If this is the kind of criteria people use when casting their vote it's a sad indictment of today's voters.
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Re: Jenny Chapman's resignation

Post by Vokuhila » Sun Jul 03, 2016 10:02 pm

For what it's worth, I have actually seen Jenny at at least a couple of our games in the past.
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