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I can just remember the info leaflets that every house got through the post in 1975. One of the selling points of the 'stay in' vote was that a bottle of wine would a bit cheaper to buy - cheese too! It sounds ridiculous now but I suspect a lot voting decisions back then were based on these type of simplistic viewpoints.Feethams 1966 wrote:I've known for years that if we ever got a vote on it again I'd vote out, so none of the fuss and hullabaloo that both sides are making would ever make me change my mind. If it was just a free trade organisation like we were conned in to believing in 1975, then fair enough. We now have the benefit of hindsight. I still feel guilty for voting for it in the first place back then, but I blame Heath for that.
Vote out. No brainer.
You've got to keep the Quo- those three chords need to keep working.Hawkeye wrote:the undecideds tend to fall increasingly on the side of keeping the status quo.
This is 'Project Fear' at work!!Darlo_Pete wrote:I thought I'd always vote to stay in if there was ever a vote, but Francois Hollande comments about the consequences of an out vote, has persuaded me to join the out vote.
George Osborn would need a native guide with SatNav to find Darlington.theoriginalfatcat wrote:This is 'Project Fear' at work!!Darlo_Pete wrote:I thought I'd always vote to stay in if there was ever a vote, but Francois Hollande comments about the consequences of an out vote, has persuaded me to join the out vote.
Yesterday George Osbourne said that if we vote to leave, Raj Singh will take over Darlington Football Club (again) - and we will be thrown out of National North and placed into the abyss of The Northern League........again.
I will still vote out though.
What makes one crime commissioner different from another? From what I can make out people need to go out of the way to have any idea what they are voting for.Darlo_Pete wrote:I'm involved with the Crime Commissioners Election on Thursday. Four years ago the turnout in the Darlo area was 14%, we'll be lucky to reach that figure this year.
I don't know how much it costs to run the crime commissioners election, but I don't think the Council has to meet the cost. Next year probably at the start of May there will be an election for the directly elected mayor, for the Tees Valley area.lo36789 wrote:So you are actually admitting it is a pointless exercise. Tell me Pete how much do these crime commissioners elections cost the public purse?
I guess I don't understand why we need an elected individual in this role? We don't elect the leader of the fire service in the region (as far as I am aware - or do we waste money on that as well).
Well 18% is an increase on 4 years ago in Darlo, so at least the vote is going the right way. Whether it continues to go ahead again in 4 years time, will depend on whether the % over the whole country has increased at allliddle_4_ever wrote:I got told the turn out was 18% today, which, although being very low, was higher than I was expecting.
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The thing is, what you espouse isn't true.DarloOnTheUp wrote:I'm voting out as at least then we will have total control over our own country, and only one set of politicians ruling over us.
The thing is, there isn't a single fact in your post: just guesswork, assumptions, and scare tactics.Beano wrote:The thing is, what you espouse isn't true.DarloOnTheUp wrote:I'm voting out as at least then we will have total control over our own country, and only one set of politicians ruling over us.
If we want to trade with Europe, which without our economy won't function, we will need to sign a trade agreement with the EU which will necessitate spending around 70% of our current contribution, adopting most of the EU rules and directives, but having zero influence on any of them.
If we leave the EU, London's place as the financial capital of the world ends and it will never recover, our housing market will stagnate or recede and our job creation will shrink over the next 20 years.
The world has changed beyond recognition and is truly globalised and international. To isolate ourselves is suicidal in every way.
DarloOnTheUp wrote:The thing is, there isn't a single fact in your post: just guesswork, assumptions, and scare tactics.Beano wrote:The thing is, what you espouse isn't true.DarloOnTheUp wrote:I'm voting out as at least then we will have total control over our own country, and only one set of politicians ruling over us.
If we want to trade with Europe, which without our economy won't function, we will need to sign a trade agreement with the EU which will necessitate spending around 70% of our current contribution, adopting most of the EU rules and directives, but having zero influence on any of them.
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If we leave the EU, London's place as the financial capital of the world ends and it will never recover, our housing market will stagnate or recede and our job creation will shrink over the next 20 years.
Google it and you will see the opinions of every credible economist.
The world has changed beyond recognition and is truly globalised and international. To isolate ourselves is suicidal in every way.
Big businesses are multi-national. Their HQ and strategic outposts are in the markets which allow them optimal access to the most people and wealth. If we leave the EU, we won't be in that optimal position.
An example: Nissan Sunderland has a contract for the next X number of years to build the Qashqai. If we were to leave, it is extremely unlikely to be renewed as trade tarrifs will render the excellent productivity of the factory meaningless. Nissan wouldn't close overnight, but would slowly lose contracts over time until it was no longer viable.
Another example: London is perfectly placed as THE city to trade in all financial markets as the hub of EU and worldwide trade. If we leave the EU, that is very likely to shift to Frankfurt instead, for the obvious reasons. Again, it wouldn't happen overnight, but slowly overtime as lease agreements on buildings and offices run out and multi-nationals shift their HQs and strategic outposts to within the EU.
You can't use a 'facts' to describe what hasn't yet happened, only the thoughts and predictions of those who will make the changes based on the referendum.
If you're trying to convince me, I need more than that.
What more do you need than the leading academics, economists (both left and right leaning) and multi-national businesses speaking almost unitedly in these terms?
And you mention "isolation" as if we're cutting ourselves off from the world. Erm, last time I checked, we will still be a part of the world and a part of Europe no matter what the outcome of the vote. We're not moving to Mars.
We enjoyed a privileged position as policymaker rather than policy subordinate as a member of the G7, EU, UN Security Council and NATO. If we cannot influence others, we become far less relevant and far more isolated. A fact you will enjoy - the UK has been on the winning side of 97% of all EU policy votes. That is because we shape and make it.
I didn't say we couldn't survive, but we would be worse off, to which you've agreed.Henley wrote:There are many things I could say to counter Beano but for starters let's throw some big and obvious ones back:
Japan, Korea, Canada, Australia - all big economies not in the EU. To suggest we couldn't survive comfortably alone is embarrassing.
Leading economists also say we would thrive after Brexit - a bit of short term turbulence which would be just the markets doing what the markets do. Big business and markets do not like uncertainty. Even Gormless Gideon's disgraceful Treasury report said that our GDP in 2030 would be 31% higher than now rather than 37%. Whoop-di-do. A very small price for the return to full democracy.
The U.K. has the second and third balance of trade deficits with Germany and France respectively (€40bn with Germany - as I say, that's just the deficit). Any Remainian that suggests a trade deal wouldn't be agreed with favourite terms for the UK sooner rather than later knows they are talking out of their rectum.
During Cameron's EU negotiations, he walked in there with a Royal Flush and ended up folding against a 10-high. Utter tosspot.
BeLeave.