Question for lo.

[theoriginalfatcat]

Lo - Haaland's goal last night - high foot or what?

Surely if a defender kicked the ball, away from goal in a similar manner it would be deemed dangerous play.

[lo36789]

Lo - Haaland's goal last night - high foot or what?

Surely if a defender kicked the ball, away from goal in a similar manner it would be deemed dangerous play.

If an attacker put their head there then yes. As it happened the defenders heads were nowhere near.

Having your foot high isn't an offence. If a player challenges and there is no contact it's indirect for dangerous play, if there is glancing contact then it's a yellow for reckless, if there is direct contact it's a red for serious foul play.

[Mullet69]

But....

You can’t put your foot up in Europe,
You can’t show your studs on the ‘nent,
They take a dim view of a slightly raised shoe,
So think on if you’re up against Ghent

[theoriginalfatcat]

Lo - Haaland's goal last night - high foot or what?

Surely if a defender kicked the ball, away from goal in a similar manner it would be deemed dangerous play.

If an attacker put their head there then yes. As it happened the defenders heads were nowhere near.

Having your foot high isn't an offence. If a player challenges and there is no contact it's indirect for dangerous play, if there is glancing contact then it's a yellow for reckless, if there is direct contact it's a red for serious foul play.

Hmm, I see your point, but in a broader view when the occasional spectacular bicycle kick happens, there can sometimes be defenders heads nearby and the forward involved can't see for sure what's happening, meaning it's down to chance if anyone gets hurt.

What I'm trying to say is some of these spectacular goals can be dangerous manoeuvres, yet that seems to be deemed okay.

[dsr]

Not trying to score points, or be pernickety, but shouldn't posts like this be in "The Terrraces"?

[PierremontQuaker03]

I was there last night- Haaland is an absolute beast. Dortmund actually played him well until that moment. I don't think Man City play to his strengths as he likes to play on the counter attack, but City dominate the ball. That goal though....it was one of those "I was there" moments.

[biccynana]

But....

You can’t put your foot up in Europe,
You can’t show your studs on the ‘nent,
They take a dim view of a slightly raised shoe,
So think on if you’re up against Ghent

fellow HMHB fan

[Darlogramps]

Lo - Haaland's goal last night - high foot or what?

Surely if a defender kicked the ball, away from goal in a similar manner it would be deemed dangerous play.

If an attacker put their head there then yes. As it happened the defenders heads were nowhere near.

Having your foot high isn't an offence. If a player challenges and there is no contact it's indirect for dangerous play, if there is glancing contact then it's a yellow for reckless, if there is direct contact it's a red for serious foul play.

Hmm, I see your point, but in a broader view when the occasional spectacular bicycle kick happens, there can sometimes be defenders heads nearby and the forward involved can't see for sure what's happening, meaning it's down to chance if anyone gets hurt.

What I'm trying to say is some of these spectacular goals can be dangerous manoeuvres, yet that seems to be deemed okay.

Can you give an example of a spectacular goal that, in your view, could’ve been ruled out for dangerous play? (Not Haaland from last night as that’s been explained).

The issue isn’t whether the boot is raised, it’s whether it’s a danger to other players.

[theoriginalfatcat]

Lo - Haaland's goal last night - high foot or what?

Surely if a defender kicked the ball, away from goal in a similar manner it would be deemed dangerous play.

If an attacker put their head there then yes. As it happened the defenders heads were nowhere near.

Having your foot high isn't an offence. If a player challenges and there is no contact it's indirect for dangerous play, if there is glancing contact then it's a yellow for reckless, if there is direct contact it's a red for serious foul play.

Hmm, I see your point, but in a broader view when the occasional spectacular bicycle kick happens, there can sometimes be defenders heads nearby and the forward involved can't see for sure what's happening, meaning it's down to chance if anyone gets hurt.

What I'm trying to say is some of these spectacular goals can be dangerous manoeuvres, yet that seems to be deemed okay.

Can you give an example of a spectacular goal that, in your view, could’ve been ruled out for dangerous play? (Not Haaland from last night as that’s been explained).

The issue isn’t whether the boot is raised, it’s whether it’s a danger to other players.

Well I can certainly give an example of what I'm getting at - Christian Benteke (Man U v Liverpool - Sept 2015)

Here the defender is in danger of getting a boot in the face, and if he'd had gone for the ball with his head (which he could have done and which he was entitled to do) he would have done. As said above, if you're an attacker executing an overhead kick in a congested area, you don't know if you might injure someone.

Q "Surely if a defender kicked the ball, away from goal in a similar manner it would be deemed dangerous play."
A. "If an attacker put their head there then yes."

That's the point I'm trying to make, it's a foul only "if" the opposition player goes for the ball in a legal way.

[Darlogramps]

Lo - Haaland's goal last night - high foot or what?

Surely if a defender kicked the ball, away from goal in a similar manner it would be deemed dangerous play.

If an attacker put their head there then yes. As it happened the defenders heads were nowhere near.

Having your foot high isn't an offence. If a player challenges and there is no contact it's indirect for dangerous play, if there is glancing contact then it's a yellow for reckless, if there is direct contact it's a red for serious foul play.

Hmm, I see your point, but in a broader view when the occasional spectacular bicycle kick happens, there can sometimes be defenders heads nearby and the forward involved can't see for sure what's happening, meaning it's down to chance if anyone gets hurt.

What I'm trying to say is some of these spectacular goals can be dangerous manoeuvres, yet that seems to be deemed okay.

Can you give an example of a spectacular goal that, in your view, could’ve been ruled out for dangerous play? (Not Haaland from last night as that’s been explained).

The issue isn’t whether the boot is raised, it’s whether it’s a danger to other players.

Well I can certainly give an example of what I'm getting at - Christian Benteke (Man U v Liverpool - Sept 2015)

Here the defender is in danger of getting a boot in the face, and if he'd had gone for the ball with his head (which he could have done and which he was entitled to do) he would have done. As said above, if you're an attacker executing an overhead kick in a congested area, you don't know if you might injure someone.

Q "Surely if a defender kicked the ball, away from goal in a similar manner it would be deemed dangerous play."
A. "If an attacker put their head there then yes."

That's the point I'm trying to make, it's a foul only "if" the opposition player goes for the ball in a legal way.

As ever though, context is everything. Benteke begins his manoeuvre before the defender closes into a position where he could be caught. I think it would be unreasonable to penalise Benteke when there’s nothing he could do.

Benteke didn’t cause the danger, the defender did.


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[lo36789]

That's the point I'm trying to make, it's a foul only "if" the opposition player goes for the ball in a legal way

Yeh pretty much, the offence is as a result of the detrimental impact on the opponent.

By the same token you could take a kick off by running and jumping 3 feet in the air and lunging into the ball with two feet (if you really wanted) and it wouldn't be a red card. Probably be classed as a double touch though and people would think you are a bit odd.

[DavidCurriesMullet]

We've actually got someone arguing spectacular goals should be ruled out on the basis it "could" have been dangerous had a defender done something different. The games gone. Every fouls a booking, every strong tackle a sending off, when did football fan's become such wet blankets.

[theoriginalfatcat]

We've actually got someone arguing spectacular goals should be ruled out on the basis it "could" have been dangerous had a defender done something different. The games gone. Every fouls a booking, every strong tackle a sending off, when did football fan's become such wet blankets.

I'm not "arguing" any such thing - I asked lo (a referee) to explain the rules then pointed out the slightly paradoxical nature of them.