David Johnston's Netcafe
Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:26 pm
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I am surprised last night's Netcafe hasn't generated more comment on here? DJ's comment about Commercial Director very interesting it reads. "The Club made the decision not to continue with a full time Commercial Director after the Financial performance did not justify the expenditure". It then goes on to say that going forward "We have structured a commission based incentive that ensures costs are only incurred when commercial sales are delivered." It seems a little surprising this wasn't the basis to start with?Darlo_CR wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:26 pmLive now: https://darlingtonfc.co.uk/news/dj-chat ... nt-affairs
That was the basis to start with. I seem to remember the rather more hysterical portion of our fan base throwing their toys out of the pram when it was revealed that John Tempest earned commission from sponsorship deals he brought into the club. But it is the only sensible way to run at the moment. No costs incurred until corresponding sales are made. And while we are limited by the commercial opportunities at BM we need to be getting to the £150k+ potential DJ was talking about before we can really say we are being limited by our surroundings.bga wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:30 amI am surprised last night's Netcafe hasn't generated more comment on here? DJ's comment about Commercial Director very interesting it reads. "The Club made the decision not to continue with a full time Commercial Director after the Financial performance did not justify the expenditure". It then goes on to say that going forward "We have structured a commission based incentive that ensures costs are only incurred when commercial sales are delivered." It seems a little surprising this wasn't the basis to start with?Darlo_CR wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:26 pmLive now: https://darlingtonfc.co.uk/news/dj-chat ... nt-affairs
Other than that some really interesting questions and some positive answers from DJ. Clearly the club is in good hands.
I meant the basis to start with when the Commercial Director was appointed. It seems we reverted back to that original basis now, but not during time of his appointment, perhaps I'm wrong?JE93 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:41 pmThat was the basis to start with. I seem to remember the rather more hysterical portion of our fan base throwing their toys out of the pram when it was revealed that John Tempest earned commission from sponsorship deals he brought into the club. But it is the only sensible way to run at the moment. No costs incurred until corresponding sales are made. And while we are limited by the commercial opportunities at BM we need to be getting to the £150k+ potential DJ was talking about before we can really say we are being limited by our surroundings.bga wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:30 amI am surprised last night's Netcafe hasn't generated more comment on here? DJ's comment about Commercial Director very interesting it reads. "The Club made the decision not to continue with a full time Commercial Director after the Financial performance did not justify the expenditure". It then goes on to say that going forward "We have structured a commission based incentive that ensures costs are only incurred when commercial sales are delivered." It seems a little surprising this wasn't the basis to start with?Darlo_CR wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:26 pmLive now: https://darlingtonfc.co.uk/news/dj-chat ... nt-affairs
Other than that some really interesting questions and some positive answers from DJ. Clearly the club is in good hands.
On the rest of the netcafe, as always very impressed with DJ, his vision and his commitment to the club. The next step (developing a permanent home and moving towards hybrid/full time model) will be the hardest in the clubs history. But have absolute confidence in the man who is at the tiller.
Fair point.bga wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 7:16 pmI meant the basis to start with when the Commercial Director was appointed. It seems we reverted back to that original basis now, but not during time of his appointment, perhaps I'm wrong?JE93 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:41 pmThat was the basis to start with. I seem to remember the rather more hysterical portion of our fan base throwing their toys out of the pram when it was revealed that John Tempest earned commission from sponsorship deals he brought into the club. But it is the only sensible way to run at the moment. No costs incurred until corresponding sales are made. And while we are limited by the commercial opportunities at BM we need to be getting to the £150k+ potential DJ was talking about before we can really say we are being limited by our surroundings.bga wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:30 amI am surprised last night's Netcafe hasn't generated more comment on here? DJ's comment about Commercial Director very interesting it reads. "The Club made the decision not to continue with a full time Commercial Director after the Financial performance did not justify the expenditure". It then goes on to say that going forward "We have structured a commission based incentive that ensures costs are only incurred when commercial sales are delivered." It seems a little surprising this wasn't the basis to start with?Darlo_CR wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:26 pmLive now: https://darlingtonfc.co.uk/news/dj-chat ... nt-affairs
Other than that some really interesting questions and some positive answers from DJ. Clearly the club is in good hands.
On the rest of the netcafe, as always very impressed with DJ, his vision and his commitment to the club. The next step (developing a permanent home and moving towards hybrid/full time model) will be the hardest in the clubs history. But have absolute confidence in the man who is at the tiller.
Q our Resident Employment Law Specialist...……………...this could run for a long time!JE93 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:25 pmFair point.bga wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 7:16 pmI meant the basis to start with when the Commercial Director was appointed. It seems we reverted back to that original basis now, but not during time of his appointment, perhaps I'm wrong?JE93 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:41 pmThat was the basis to start with. I seem to remember the rather more hysterical portion of our fan base throwing their toys out of the pram when it was revealed that John Tempest earned commission from sponsorship deals he brought into the club. But it is the only sensible way to run at the moment. No costs incurred until corresponding sales are made. And while we are limited by the commercial opportunities at BM we need to be getting to the £150k+ potential DJ was talking about before we can really say we are being limited by our surroundings.bga wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:30 amI am surprised last night's Netcafe hasn't generated more comment on here? DJ's comment about Commercial Director very interesting it reads. "The Club made the decision not to continue with a full time Commercial Director after the Financial performance did not justify the expenditure". It then goes on to say that going forward "We have structured a commission based incentive that ensures costs are only incurred when commercial sales are delivered." It seems a little surprising this wasn't the basis to start with?Darlo_CR wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:26 pmLive now: https://darlingtonfc.co.uk/news/dj-chat ... nt-affairs
Other than that some really interesting questions and some positive answers from DJ. Clearly the club is in good hands.
On the rest of the netcafe, as always very impressed with DJ, his vision and his commitment to the club. The next step (developing a permanent home and moving towards hybrid/full time model) will be the hardest in the clubs history. But have absolute confidence in the man who is at the tiller.
The issue here was that for the club, it was a case of nothing ventured nothing gained. Had bringing someone in on a full time paid basis provided huge increases in revenue in excess of additional cost, it would have been a great move. We tried it for a year and the accounts show the ends didn't justify the means. So my understanding is the position was made redundant because you cant ask a salaried employee to accept a commission only job as 'reasonable alternative work'. And then you roll into all the wonderful employment law minefields of redundancy and unfair dismissal etc.
Presumably the rugby club still have their bills / ground loans to pay in the meantime. I wonder what their underlying finances are like when the football contribution is taken away?LoidLucan wrote:They lost the revenue from our remaining 4 home games that bit the dust and all the various functions that must have been lined up over the past few months. A closed bar and function rooms plus no income from your tenant can't be good news.
Not so much of a minefield where the period of employment is less than 2 years. See for example:bga wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:50 amQ our Resident Employment Law Specialist...……………...this could run for a long time!JE93 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:25 pmFair point.bga wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 7:16 pmI meant the basis to start with when the Commercial Director was appointed. It seems we reverted back to that original basis now, but not during time of his appointment, perhaps I'm wrong?JE93 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:41 pmThat was the basis to start with. I seem to remember the rather more hysterical portion of our fan base throwing their toys out of the pram when it was revealed that John Tempest earned commission from sponsorship deals he brought into the club. But it is the only sensible way to run at the moment. No costs incurred until corresponding sales are made. And while we are limited by the commercial opportunities at BM we need to be getting to the £150k+ potential DJ was talking about before we can really say we are being limited by our surroundings.bga wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:30 am
I am surprised last night's Netcafe hasn't generated more comment on here? DJ's comment about Commercial Director very interesting it reads. "The Club made the decision not to continue with a full time Commercial Director after the Financial performance did not justify the expenditure". It then goes on to say that going forward "We have structured a commission based incentive that ensures costs are only incurred when commercial sales are delivered." It seems a little surprising this wasn't the basis to start with?
Other than that some really interesting questions and some positive answers from DJ. Clearly the club is in good hands.
On the rest of the netcafe, as always very impressed with DJ, his vision and his commitment to the club. The next step (developing a permanent home and moving towards hybrid/full time model) will be the hardest in the clubs history. But have absolute confidence in the man who is at the tiller.
The issue here was that for the club, it was a case of nothing ventured nothing gained. Had bringing someone in on a full time paid basis provided huge increases in revenue in excess of additional cost, it would have been a great move. We tried it for a year and the accounts show the ends didn't justify the means. So my understanding is the position was made redundant because you cant ask a salaried employee to accept a commission only job as 'reasonable alternative work'. And then you roll into all the wonderful employment law minefields of redundancy and unfair dismissal etc.
Are you Spen in disguise?Darlo Dodger wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:39 pmNot so much of a minefield where the period of employment is less than 2 years. See for example:bga wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:50 amQ our Resident Employment Law Specialist...……………...this could run for a long time!JE93 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:25 pmFair point.bga wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 7:16 pmI meant the basis to start with when the Commercial Director was appointed. It seems we reverted back to that original basis now, but not during time of his appointment, perhaps I'm wrong?JE93 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:41 pm
That was the basis to start with. I seem to remember the rather more hysterical portion of our fan base throwing their toys out of the pram when it was revealed that John Tempest earned commission from sponsorship deals he brought into the club. But it is the only sensible way to run at the moment. No costs incurred until corresponding sales are made. And while we are limited by the commercial opportunities at BM we need to be getting to the £150k+ potential DJ was talking about before we can really say we are being limited by our surroundings.
On the rest of the netcafe, as always very impressed with DJ, his vision and his commitment to the club. The next step (developing a permanent home and moving towards hybrid/full time model) will be the hardest in the clubs history. But have absolute confidence in the man who is at the tiller.
The issue here was that for the club, it was a case of nothing ventured nothing gained. Had bringing someone in on a full time paid basis provided huge increases in revenue in excess of additional cost, it would have been a great move. We tried it for a year and the accounts show the ends didn't justify the means. So my understanding is the position was made redundant because you cant ask a salaried employee to accept a commission only job as 'reasonable alternative work'. And then you roll into all the wonderful employment law minefields of redundancy and unfair dismissal etc.
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Go then tell us who does "Own our crowd"?quakersfan wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:21 pmI’m glad we have DJ in charge BTBH nothing really new came out on Friday. Reading between the lines Craig did very well selling the board space which has increased rapidly but compared to previous years when we secured Virgin & Ebac he didn’t have any big ticket to sell as we don’t own our own crowd. Who knows what the future holds.
Commercial profits fell dramatically in 18/19 compared to 17/18.quakersfan wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:21 pmI’m glad we have DJ in charge BTBH nothing really new came out on Friday. Reading between the lines Craig did very well selling the board space which has increased rapidly but compared to previous years when we secured Virgin & Ebac he didn’t have any big ticket to sell as we don’t own our own crowd. Who knows what the future holds.
CD role was tried but didn't work all explained at AGM earlier in year. We know we need our own ground so keep buying your euromillions tickets until SV or another site comes available, we can look at a loan and work out what fans will have to pay on top of season tickets taking care not to follow FC united or others difficulties.bga wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:30 amI am surprised last night's Netcafe hasn't generated more comment on here? DJ's comment about Commercial Director very interesting it reads. "The Club made the decision not to continue with a full time Commercial Director after the Financial performance did not justify the expenditure". It then goes on to say that going forward "We have structured a commission based incentive that ensures costs are only incurred when commercial sales are delivered." It seems a little surprising this wasn't the basis to start with?Darlo_CR wrote: ↑Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:26 pmLive now: https://darlingtonfc.co.uk/news/dj-chat ... nt-affairs
Other than that some really interesting questions and some positive answers from DJ. Clearly the club is in good hands.