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Re: Coronavirus and DFC
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:40 pm
by quaker4life
quakerste wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:14 pm
Don't think we will kick a ball again this season. Just hoping things will be okay to start again in August.
I don't think we should get ahead of ourselves just yet.
Re: Coronavirus and DFC
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:48 pm
by theoriginalfatcat
quakerste wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:14 pm
Don't think we will kick a ball again this season. Just hoping things will be okay to start again in August.
It might be August, but that could well be a starting point to finishing this season.
Re: Coronavirus and DFC
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:45 pm
by lo36789
Yep but read somewhere that UEFA have said they expect domestic leagues to finish by 30th June because of the tie in with contracts.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... -statement
Re: Coronavirus and DFC
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:02 pm
by biccynana
jjljks wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:41 pm
There will be serious consequences for many clubs, some of which may end in administration or even extinction. Various spaces could appear in any league which then impact promotion /relegation. Pyramids need solid foundations & could collapse.....
Barnet have laid off all 60 non-playing staff
https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... nal-league
Re: Coronavirus and DFC
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:38 am
by jjljks
Bobby Barnes of PFA said on Radio 4 that 65% of football clubs are facing bankruptcy because of Covid19 disruption to revenue.
Re: Coronavirus and DFC
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:54 am
by JasonDeVos
biccynana wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:02 pm
jjljks wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:41 pm
There will be serious consequences for many clubs, some of which may end in administration or even extinction. Various spaces could appear in any league which then impact promotion /relegation. Pyramids need solid foundations & could collapse.....
Barnet have laid off all 60 non-playing staff
https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... nal-league
That’s a benefit of our smaller operation. I imagine some will have far more than 60 in the lower leagues.
Re: Coronavirus and DFC
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:50 am
by Darlo_Pete
jjljks wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:38 am
Bobby Barnes of PFA said on Radio 4 that 65% of football clubs are facing bankruptcy because of Covid19 disruption to revenue.
That's really concerning for football, but it does go to show that if we can survive this catastrophe, we could be in a very different environment & structure of football than we are now. I hope that the 65% quoted is a very pessimistic figure & the reality will be far fewer clubs will go out of business.
Re: Coronavirus and DFC
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:30 am
by Old Git
Sorry for the people at Barnet who face an uncertain future but I cannot help wondering how a small club like them could afford so many non football staff. They are only one league above us. Things will never be the same again for many teams and I am convinced that teams without a sugar daddy will have to adopt a model similar to our own to survive. Just hope we can come through this and with our dedicated team of volunteers and fans I think we can.
Re: Coronavirus and DFC
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:42 am
by spen666
Old Git wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:30 am
Sorry for the people at Barnet who face an uncertain future but I cannot help wondering how a small club like them could afford so many non football staff. They are only one league above us. Things will never be the same again for many teams and I am convinced that teams without a sugar daddy will have to adopt a model similar to our own to survive. Just hope we can come through this and with our dedicated team of volunteers and fans I think we can.
60 staff is an easy figure to reach, especially for a club that has been in football league very recently.
It includes all staff, full/ part time other than players, so includes manager, coaching staff, groundsmen, catering staff, turnstile operators, those running the bar and corporate facilities, those in ticket office, club shop, running the operations on the 3g pitches outside the ground, possibly also those running the Trust or community outreach, the media/ comms staff etc, match day stewards, stadium manager etc.
There are 15 staff employed at the academy which until the end of this season has EFL funding ( ie 2 years from relegation)
Its not hard to believe that 60 people are required to run a club when you include non full time staff needed to put on a match on the day
Its clearly not sustainable though as Barnet are losing £100k per month. Imagine that, the Boost the Budget Money being needed to be raised every month not once a year. Barnet's crowds have dwindled and they are averaging less than Darlington are.
Re: Coronavirus and DFC
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:24 am
by theoriginalfatcat
Football clubs are businesses and as such will be able to get hold of these emergency bridging loans that the government are now sorting out.
If this plan works then a 2 or 3 month layoff may not be terminal. Also there is a train of thought that in these circumstances administration (even temporary) will not incur any points deduction.
It will be hard but with thought hopefully not as bad as some are predicting.
Re: Coronavirus and DFC
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:04 pm
by bigdavethemaddog
spen666 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:42 am
Old Git wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:30 am
Sorry for the people at Barnet who face an uncertain future but I cannot help wondering how a small club like them could afford so many non football staff. They are only one league above us. Things will never be the same again for many teams and I am convinced that teams without a sugar daddy will have to adopt a model similar to our own to survive. Just hope we can come through this and with our dedicated team of volunteers and fans I think we can.
60 staff is an easy figure to reach, especially for a club that has been in football league very recently.
It includes all staff, full/ part time other than players, so includes manager, coaching staff, groundsmen, catering staff, turnstile operators, those running the bar and corporate facilities, those in ticket office, club shop, running the operations on the 3g pitches outside the ground, possibly also those running the Trust or community outreach, the media/ comms staff etc, match day stewards, stadium manager etc.
There are 15 staff employed at the academy which until the end of this season has EFL funding ( ie 2 years from relegation)
Its not hard to believe that 60 people are required to run a club when you include non full time staff needed to put on a match on the day
Its clearly not sustainable though as Barnet are losing £100k per month. Imagine that, the Boost the Budget Money being needed to be raised every month not once a year. Barnet's crowds have dwindled and they are averaging less than Darlington are.
ive been to Barnet a few times and they have a decent set up there - quite a decent all weather facility, two cafes and a gym all built into the club structure and paid by the chairman so the closure will hit them hard.
Re: Coronavirus and DFC
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:07 pm
by HarrytheQuaker
Haven't they done it to claim money from the FA to keep them going till summer then they can recruit them back again??
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Re: Coronavirus and DFC
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:03 pm
by lo36789
FC United have done an update where their working assumption is the remaining games of the season won't be played.
Re: Coronavirus and DFC
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:42 pm
by Old Git
At least we won’t feel aggrieved that we have been robbed of a likely promotion due to the curtailment of the season. We are slap bang in the middle of the table and if it is null and voided it makes no difference to where we would start again next season.
On that basis when a resumption happens at least we can plan for a campaign in NLN and directors and AA will hopefully be able to plan accordingly. Also we are fortunate to have a decent group of players and if we can hang on to them we will be in good shape when the resumption does come.
Re: Coronavirus and DFC
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:58 pm
by QUAKERMAN2
Old Git wrote:At least we won’t feel aggrieved that we have been robbed of a likely promotion due to the curtailment of the season. We are slap bang in the middle of the table and if it is null and voided it makes no difference to where we would start again next season.
On that basis when a resumption happens at least we can plan for a campaign in NLN and directors and AA will hopefully be able to plan accordingly. Also we are fortunate to have a decent group of players and if we can hang on to them we will be in good shape when the resumption does come.
3 good signings plus Holmes,Atkinson and possibly Trotman back and I reckon we will have a very good side capable of a promotion challenge.
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Re: Coronavirus and DFC
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:02 pm
by theoriginalfatcat
Hartlepool will be fine. Their Chairman is very experienced at laying people off/not paying bills and that sort of thing.
For clarification I have nothing against Hartlepool, their players or supporters.
Re: Coronavirus and DFC
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:29 pm
by Mister e
Every cloud has a silver lining Salford city have had their Wembley final cancelled - all together now aaagh.
Re: Coronavirus and DFC
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:33 pm
by super_les_mcjannet
Mister e wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:29 pm
Every cloud has a silver lining Salford city have had their Wembley final cancelled - all together now aaagh.
I would much rather be forced to watch and cheer them on to win, than deal with what's happening to be honest.
Re: Coronavirus and DFC
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:56 am
by HarrytheQuaker
Mister e wrote:Every cloud has a silver lining Salford city have had their Wembley final cancelled - all together now aaagh.
Postponed there is a difference.. A new date to be arranged
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Re: Coronavirus and DFC
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:57 am
by Darlo_Pete
Mister e wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:29 pm
Every cloud has a silver lining Salford city have had their Wembley final cancelled - all together now aaagh.
They'll have to cancel the coach that was taking all their supporters down to Wembley!!!
Re: Coronavirus and DFC
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:28 am
by lo36789
BBC News - Coronavirus: EFL offers £50m to help clubs as Trophy final postponed
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51951389
Not convinced the NL have these sort of reserves available.
Re: Coronavirus and DFC
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:50 am
by al_quaker
National league asking the FA for £17m across the 68 clubs based on forecasted lost revenue, according to the athletic
Re: Coronavirus and DFC
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:59 pm
by spen666
al_quaker wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:50 am
National league asking the FA for £17m across the 68 clubs based on forecasted lost revenue, according to the athletic
That's just to cover Barnet's losses
Re: Coronavirus and DFC
Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:35 pm
by biccynana
al_quaker wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:50 am
National league asking the FA for £17m across the 68 clubs based on forecasted lost revenue, according to the athletic
Yeovil's chairman, having just announced the club has asked players and staff to take a 50% pay cut with immediate effect:
The sad thing is the amount of money we’re talking about to save non-league clubs is a small amount of money compared with the £50m the EFL announced last week or the £4bn TV contract paid to the Premier League. It is such a small amount of money that would be needed to keep everyone alive and moving forward.
Reckon any of that £4bn will find its way to the likes of DFC? No, me neither.
Re: Coronavirus and DFC
Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 4:03 pm
by lo36789
Non League paper reporting that step 5 and 6 season are to end with immediate effect.
https://twitter.com/NonLeaguePaper/stat ... 09152?s=19
FA league committee to decide whether to declare by PPG or null and void the season entirely...
Re: Coronavirus and DFC
Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 5:28 pm
by HarrytheQuaker
According to the FA nothing has been decided yet as meetings are on going and they say this is a false claim
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Re: Coronavirus and DFC
Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:40 pm
by lo36789
HarrytheQuaker wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 5:28 pm
According to the FA nothing has been decided yet as meetings are on going and they say this is a false claim
Also known as "somebody leaked something from today's meeting"
Re: Coronavirus and DFC
Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:52 pm
by lo36789
Re: Coronavirus and DFC
Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:18 pm
by HarrytheQuaker
Re: Coronavirus and DFC
Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:47 am
by lo36789
That was sent when Non League Paper leaked it. The Northern Premier League statement has come out since as they were still in the meeting.
