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Elliot and Connel

Post by Alfie » Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:21 pm

Another great performance from Elliot last night - we seem to have 2 keepers who are both well above average quality for this league, and so far seem to accept that they are in competition for one place with good grace.

But is this sustainable long term - can we afford two first choice keepers even if they are prepared to go along with it?

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Re: Elliot and Connel

Post by Darlo_Pete » Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:59 pm

If both are available, we do need one on the bench, as playing without a sub keeper is very dangerous.

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Re: Elliot and Connel

Post by HarrytheQuaker » Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:14 pm

About 2 months ago Elliott wasn't good enough ..Just shows people are quick to shoot down these Part time players and call them because they make a mistake or two, they are only human...
Good on him to turning it around

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Re: Elliot and Connel

Post by quakerste » Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:23 pm

Elliot was playing with an injury for the first part of the season bringing Connell in allowed him time to recover.

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Post by JE93 » Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:44 pm

Like both keepers and credit to Elliott for turning it around after his injury. The No.1 Jersey is rightfully his atm.

But my personal feeling will always be the same, two no.1 goalkeepers is a luxury we cant afford and isn't the best use of budget. Single No.1, with either a GK coach (like Bell was behind Jameson) / or young lad like Cameron Hall around the squad for emergencies. Use the short term loan market to cover injuries to your no.1.

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Post by jjljks » Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:07 pm

Connell is not eligible for the FA Trophy so would not be available when we do get to Wembley 👍

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Re: Elliot and Connel

Post by H1987 » Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:15 pm

Elliott has been absolutely outstanding lately. If he keeps this up, he could be a long term solution.

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Post by Darlofan97 » Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:35 pm

South Shields got knocked out the FA Trophy to Southport, so Connell could well be available for any FA Trophy ties going forward.

Connell couldn’t play last night even if South Shields agreed, because he wasn’t available for the original tie on 14th December.

Fully expect Elliott to retain his place for Saturday though, he’s been outstanding as of late.

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Re: Elliot and Connel

Post by karlo-cardiff » Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:50 pm

Connell can't play or be part of any Darlo team in the trophy this season regardless if south shields are out or not.. Hes been Cup tide so that rules him out completely

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Re: Elliot and Connel

Post by divas » Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:06 pm

Connell definitely not cup-tied and available for selection on Saturday.

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Post by divas » Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:09 pm

JE93 wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:44 pm
Like both keepers and credit to Elliott for turning it around after his injury. The No.1 Jersey is rightfully his atm.

But my personal feeling will always be the same, two no.1 goalkeepers is a luxury we cant afford and isn't the best use of budget. Single No.1, with either a GK coach (like Bell was behind Jameson) / or young lad like Cameron Hall around the squad for emergencies. Use the short term loan market to cover injuries to your no.1.
I’d go one step further and just operate with a loanee from Boro for 6 months - spent the money saved on a striker. Wouldn’t mind seeing Hemming here next season. Plenty of good young keepers about in the north east that need first team football

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Re: Elliot and Connel

Post by JE93 » Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:13 pm

divas wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:09 pm
JE93 wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:44 pm
Like both keepers and credit to Elliott for turning it around after his injury. The No.1 Jersey is rightfully his atm.

But my personal feeling will always be the same, two no.1 goalkeepers is a luxury we cant afford and isn't the best use of budget. Single No.1, with either a GK coach (like Bell was behind Jameson) / or young lad like Cameron Hall around the squad for emergencies. Use the short term loan market to cover injuries to your no.1.
I’d go one step further and just operate with a loanee from Boro for 6 months - spent the money saved on a striker. Wouldn’t mind seeing Hemming here next season. Plenty of good young keepers about in the north east that need first team football
fair comment Divas, James and Hemming have both done well for Gateshead and Blyth respectively while they've been on loan from Boro.

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Post by PierremontQuaker03 » Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:47 pm

JE93 wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:13 pm
divas wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:09 pm
JE93 wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:44 pm
Like both keepers and credit to Elliott for turning it around after his injury. The No.1 Jersey is rightfully his atm.

But my personal feeling will always be the same, two no.1 goalkeepers is a luxury we cant afford and isn't the best use of budget. Single No.1, with either a GK coach (like Bell was behind Jameson) / or young lad like Cameron Hall around the squad for emergencies. Use the short term loan market to cover injuries to your no.1.
I’d go one step further and just operate with a loanee from Boro for 6 months - spent the money saved on a striker. Wouldn’t mind seeing Hemming here next season. Plenty of good young keepers about in the north east that need first team football
fair comment Divas, James and Hemming have both done well for Gateshead and Blyth respectively while they've been on loan from Boro.
The thing is if we are looking to develop team spirit I don't think having too many loan signings is good for it. We have seen with O'Neill that players can be called back and leave us in the swanny. Loans are great for emergencies and injuries, and it you find a gem then that's a bonus but the likelihood is its only a matter of time before the player goes.
The thing I have picked up as well from Alun's interviews is that he has asked DJ to loosen the purse strings and it has paid off with the cup runs, so hopefully the additional squad is covered by these additional funds from the cup runs.
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Re: Elliot and Connel

Post by divas » Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:01 pm

We’ve had some excellent loan keepers over time and I really think it’s one position you can get really a much better player on loan

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Post by H1987 » Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:24 pm

I mean, Pears worked out for us, and I think Hemming too, for the time he was here.

Right now, I’m absolutely convinced that AA had some question marks over Elliott after a shaky start to the year, which is why we wanted Connell so much. Ironically, ever since Connell’s stay was extended, Elliott has stepped up and honestly looked the better of the two. I think for now, he has to be starter unless he does something wrong. Connell has dropped a few clangers when he has played lately, and it’s only fair to reward good play. He’s also young for a keeper and could develop further. Connell is about as good as he is going to get.

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Post by Breedon » Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:48 pm

I think the competition has really helped Elliott. You definitely need competition for places to get the best out of your players. Sounded like he was playing through injury at the start of the season but all of a sudden the obvious concerns about him being a bit on the small side for a keeper have subsided. He's never going to come wading out and plucking corners out of the air but if he can cope with last nights horrific levels of long balls and crosses into 6'4 giants, he should be fine!

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Post by HarryCharltonsCat » Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:13 pm

H1987 wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:15 pm
Elliott has been absolutely outstanding lately. If he keeps this up, he could be a long term solution.
Only if we're happy with 13th/14th place then, eh DarloFan97? :D

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Re: Elliot and Connel

Post by Spyman » Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:56 pm


JE93 wrote:Use the short term loan market to cover injuries to your no.1.
That's what we did.

Connell was a short term loan to cover Elliott's injury, but he did well and there was a clamour to make it long term.

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Re: Elliot and Connel

Post by JE93 » Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:28 pm

Spyman wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:56 pm
JE93 wrote:Use the short term loan market to cover injuries to your no.1.
That's what we did.

Connell was a short term loan to cover Elliott's injury, but he did well and there was a clamour to make it long term.

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I agree we did. But, like you said we extended the loan, now we have a full season paying for 2 number 1 keepers, which in my opinion isn't the best use of our budget.

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Post by Darlopartisan » Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:46 pm

At this time in the season it would be madness not to keep both keepers, absolutely nailed on one would be injured if we tried send one out on loan or whatever, having to get emergency keepers/loans.
We have two keepers either of which we are happy to have between the sticks, AA can make that a decision in April.

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Post by coles » Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:12 am

JE93 wrote:
Spyman wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:56 pm
JE93 wrote:Use the short term loan market to cover injuries to your no.1.
That's what we did.

Connell was a short term loan to cover Elliott's injury, but he did well and there was a clamour to make it long term.

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I agree we did. But, like you said we extended the loan, now we have a full season paying for 2 number 1 keepers, which in my opinion isn't the best use of our budget.
Our squad is starting to get rather large I worry about the budget. That said we should be sitting pretty comfortable from a financial perspective, we raised £120k when £80k was the target for the budget, we’ve had something like £100k from the cup runs and tv cash so I would expect we can comfortably cover Connells wages. I agree with AA pushing a few out on loan who won’t be on the bench makes sense. On top of that we should be making more cash on the commercial side this season as hospitality is always pretty full more boards than ever round the ground so all in all we should be set up for a strong second half of the season. Bringing Martin in feels like we are going to have a push at those play offs should be an exciting last few months of the season.

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Post by Spyman » Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:47 am

Interestingly though the Martin deal was all arranged before this run of form that's taken us to touching distance of the play-offs.

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Re: Elliot and Connel

Post by jjljks » Fri Mar 13, 2020 8:37 am

Connell's loan period has ended now, but he helped stabilise the situation gained time for Elliott to improve his confidence. Thanks Liam & all the best for your future.

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Post by onewayup » Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:34 pm

I will remember the save that kept the cup run going,
Save of the season,

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Post by Vodka_Vic » Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:04 pm

Which one onewayup? The save at Leamington or the penalty at Tamworth? I say both

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Post by Darlogramps » Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:15 pm

I’ll remember him dropping the ball over the line against Walsall, which cost us a place in the 2nd round.

Started well but his form dropped off badly and his lack of availability made this inevitable. Elliott is a better keeper and we won’t miss Connell.
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Elliot and Connel

Post by Quaker85 » Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:27 pm

Darlogramps wrote:I’ll remember him dropping the ball over the line against Walsall, which cost us a place in the 2nd round.

Started well but his form dropped off badly and his lack of availability made this inevitable. Elliott is a better keeper and we won’t miss Connell.
Glass half full there Gramps?

I’ll remember him for the injury time save from a point blank header/shot v Kidderminster which earned us an extra 2 points.


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Post by Darlogramps » Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:38 pm

Quaker85 wrote:
Darlogramps wrote:I’ll remember him dropping the ball over the line against Walsall, which cost us a place in the 2nd round.

Started well but his form dropped off badly and his lack of availability made this inevitable. Elliott is a better keeper and we won’t miss Connell.
Glass half full there Gramps?

I’ll remember him for the injury time save from a point blank header/shot v Kidderminster which earned us an extra 2 points.


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All I said was I don’t think we’ll miss him. His form had dropped off and his lack of availability was an issue. From what I remember, he was competing at a taekwondo championship on a matchday on one occasion.

Elliott also has made regular important saves at key moments this season. Connell did a job when he came in but we’ll cope without.
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Re: Elliot and Connel

Post by H1987 » Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:41 pm

Thanks and good luck to him, but Elliott is the better keeper for me.

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Re: Elliot and Connel

Post by D_F_C » Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:00 pm

got to agree with gramps.

Although, Elliott looks better recently, if there was a decent keeper out there, then I'd be taking the opportunity to sign one.

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