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Full blackwell

Post by onewayup » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:17 pm

Would love to see blackwell fully sold out with capacity of 3281 through the turnstiles. Would it be possible do you think. :thumbup:

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Re: Full blackwell

Post by divas » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:29 pm

Based on the Halifax game it would be suicide. Those floating fans who turned up and couldn’t see the game wouldn’t come again. I’d rather a “comfortable” 2500.

I’m all for making money from the game but we’ve got to balance it with ensuring the experience is good so those that do come might think about coming back again

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Re: Full blackwell

Post by super_les_mcjannet » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:33 pm

Might be slightly better if unsegregated as hardly any Walsall fans will be coming anyhow, they barely could be bothered to turn up at home on a Saturday - never mind accept the open end segregation on a cold Wednesday night up North.

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Re: Full blackwell

Post by My opinion » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:38 pm

To fill the ground you need the opposition to take up their full allocation of tickets.
I would be very surprised if they bring 50 fans to the game, especially now that it is on the tv..
I would be happy (and surprised) if we get somewhere near 2000.
Hope i'm wrong mind.

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Re: Full blackwell

Post by Magical Quakers » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:38 pm

There will be less demand as it is on TV, but no-one will know how big the demand is until people start buying tickets.

Would recommend that anyone wanting a tickets buys in advance and arrives early to reduce congestion on the night!

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Re: Full blackwell

Post by H1987 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:54 pm

divas wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:29 pm
Based on the Halifax game it would be suicide. Those floating fans who turned up and couldn’t see the game wouldn’t come again. I’d rather a “comfortable” 2500.

I’m all for making money from the game but we’ve got to balance it with ensuring the experience is good so those that do come might think about coming back again
True, but we've fixed a lot of problems from the Halifax game. There's now nearly 300 extra seats, the dugouts have been moved from sight lines on the clubhouse side, and the bank, while still not supposedly officially used, is now not a mud mound that you couldn't get on, so that does help a little bit at the open end too. I think 3,300 could be a struggle for sure, but the segregation will eat into that anyway.

On the subject of segregation, I hope we actually segregate in a smart way to ease the pressure around the rest of the ground. Give Walsall a choice, if they want a large allocation with seats then they have to buy them upfront. If they want a smaller, pay on the day allocation, give them a smaller, standing only area, and segregate somewhere behind the goal, giving our fans more space to spread out. If they're only going to bring 50 or so fans, then it shouldn't be an issue.

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Re: Full blackwell

Post by biccynana » Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:24 pm

super_les_mcjannet wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:33 pm
Might be slightly better if unsegregated as hardly any Walsall fans will be coming anyhow, they barely could be bothered to turn up at home on a Saturday - never mind accept the open end segregation on a cold Wednesday night up North.
Will be segregated according to official site.

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Re: Full blackwell

Post by lo36789 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:35 pm

H1987 wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:54 pm
divas wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:29 pm
Based on the Halifax game it would be suicide. Those floating fans who turned up and couldn’t see the game wouldn’t come again. I’d rather a “comfortable” 2500.

I’m all for making money from the game but we’ve got to balance it with ensuring the experience is good so those that do come might think about coming back again
True, but we've fixed a lot of problems from the Halifax game. There's now nearly 300 extra seats, the dugouts have been moved from sight lines on the clubhouse side, and the bank, while still not supposedly officially used, is now not a mud mound that you couldn't get on, so that does help a little bit at the open end too. I think 3,300 could be a struggle for sure, but the segregation will eat into that anyway.

On the subject of segregation, I hope we actually segregate in a smart way to ease the pressure around the rest of the ground. Give Walsall a choice, if they want a large allocation with seats then they have to buy them upfront. If they want a smaller, pay on the day allocation, give them a smaller, standing only area, and segregate somewhere behind the goal, giving our fans more space to spread out. If they're only going to bring 50 or so fans, then it shouldn't be an issue.
Probably sensible the only challenge is that exits / turnstiles and facilities have to be proportionate to the capacity of the area.

Unless you create a weird pathway and split the away turnstile in half it could be a challenge.

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Re: Full blackwell

Post by super_les_mcjannet » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:37 pm

biccynana wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:24 pm
super_les_mcjannet wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:33 pm
Might be slightly better if unsegregated as hardly any Walsall fans will be coming anyhow, they barely could be bothered to turn up at home on a Saturday - never mind accept the open end segregation on a cold Wednesday night up North.
Will be segregated according to official site.
Yep just read that, although unlikely to get all of the open end apparently, which means some of our fans can be up that end also.

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Re: Full blackwell

Post by H1987 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:57 pm

Doesn't make much sense to give them the whole end if they're only likely to bring 50-100 fans. You could put them all in the corner and they'd have toilets, a food stall and plenty of room.

We might have to put some portaloos in for our own fans down that end, but it'd probably be worth it if the alternative was limiting the attendance. Presumably the emergency vehicle exit also counts as an exit for safety reasons in case of an emergency anyway.

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Re: Full blackwell

Post by jjljks » Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:37 am

Capacity is based on crowd being 3 deep on flat area & no standing allowed on the grassy mound. Supposedly not all-ticket but limited so fans with season tickets or members of Supporters Group will get first dibs. Still time to join👍

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Re: Full blackwell

Post by Yarblockos » Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:48 am

H1987 wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:57 pm
Doesn't make much sense to give them the whole end if they're only likely to bring 50-100 fans. You could put them all in the corner and they'd have toilets, a food stall and plenty of room.

We might have to put some portaloos in for our own fans down that end, but it'd probably be worth it if the alternative was limiting the attendance. Presumably the emergency vehicle exit also counts as an exit for safety reasons in case of an emergency anyway.
Don't we have to give the away fans seats as well? You'd end up with Darlo fans in between two sets of Walsall fans.

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Re: Full blackwell

Post by H1987 » Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:57 am

Yarblockos wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:48 am
H1987 wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:57 pm
Doesn't make much sense to give them the whole end if they're only likely to bring 50-100 fans. You could put them all in the corner and they'd have toilets, a food stall and plenty of room.

We might have to put some portaloos in for our own fans down that end, but it'd probably be worth it if the alternative was limiting the attendance. Presumably the emergency vehicle exit also counts as an exit for safety reasons in case of an emergency anyway.
Don't we have to give the away fans seats as well? You'd end up with Darlo fans in between two sets of Walsall fans.
Are we obliged to? I'm sure there are some standing only away ends out there. It might depend on the rules of the FA Cup. I've no idea how you'd managed to segregate that properly if we do. They'd presumably had to have the whole end, unless we were to put a new turnstile in around where the vehicle access is (and toilets too). It'll be a real shames if we have to give them that entire end and only 50 or so make the journey - and i suspect limit home sales considerably. I'd imagine if we give them seats and that whole end and corner, it amounts to about 500 of the capacity. Is that what York brought?

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Re: Full blackwell

Post by super_les_mcjannet » Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:00 am

We are sending them tickets for standing and seats, whilst not planning on giving them the whole open end. However it's going to be segregated, leave that one to the club to figure out I guess.

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Re: Full blackwell

Post by Vodka_Vic » Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:29 pm

The only other way is to give them the corner near the seats, get some portaloos and catering in that side, and corden off the walkway behind the turnstiles., but that may not be doable.

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Re: Full blackwell

Post by Yarblockos » Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:33 pm

H1987 wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:57 am
Yarblockos wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:48 am
H1987 wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:57 pm
Doesn't make much sense to give them the whole end if they're only likely to bring 50-100 fans. You could put them all in the corner and they'd have toilets, a food stall and plenty of room.

We might have to put some portaloos in for our own fans down that end, but it'd probably be worth it if the alternative was limiting the attendance. Presumably the emergency vehicle exit also counts as an exit for safety reasons in case of an emergency anyway.
Don't we have to give the away fans seats as well? You'd end up with Darlo fans in between two sets of Walsall fans.
Are we obliged to? I'm sure there are some standing only away ends out there. It might depend on the rules of the FA Cup. I've no idea how you'd managed to segregate that properly if we do. They'd presumably had to have the whole end, unless we were to put a new turnstile in around where the vehicle access is (and toilets too). It'll be a real shames if we have to give them that entire end and only 50 or so make the journey - and i suspect limit home sales considerably. I'd imagine if we give them seats and that whole end and corner, it amounts to about 500 of the capacity. Is that what York brought?
Maybe use the turnstiles for away fans only, fence off a walkway behind the standing area so Walsall fans are directed to the far end near to the seats. Toilets could be for Walsall only.

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Re: Full blackwell

Post by H1987 » Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:27 pm

This would require a very elaborate fence, which you'd presumably have to have on the grass bank... not sure how well that'd work anyway - nor how many stewards you'd need to stop any stupidity going on... It'd also stop any of our fans standing on the bank, which is rubbish too.

Portaloos, food wagon and a temporary turnstile at the emergency vehicle entrance might be how they'll do it? Keeping all their fans in that corner. It might be worth it if it means we can sell another 300-400 tickets. For the club to decide of course, but i'm curious how it'll work.

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Re: Full blackwell

Post by Breedon » Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:48 pm

Surely just segregate from the fence near the changing rooms to the 18 yard line on the pavilion side of the open end so away fans can have those turnstiles without giving up the full away end. We can reserve a small section of the seating stand for any older/disabled Walsall fans that need them and have a couple of stewards on hand before kick off to escort any away fans with seating tickets through the segregation to their seats. There will be so few away fans it shouldn't be any sort of problem and way, way better than having the entire end cordoned off for 40 fans while about 1500 fans try to fight for a view up the pavilion side and 1/3rd of the other side...

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