Re: TW - Learning His Trade
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:02 pm
I saw Darlo Cock recently when out shopping. He's just the same as usual, but didn't ask about why he stopped following Darlo.
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Yes it’s a brilliant signature and always makes me chuckle.AndyPark wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:50 amSpyman, I am crediting you for that fantastic use of a signature.Spyman wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:11 amDo we know he can be anything other than an error prone goalkeeper who struggles in a number of key areas though? That seems to have been the consensus about him all season.
The old 'great shot-stopper' line - as if anyone can get to any kind of a level as a goalkeeper without being a great shot stopper
Whatever happened to Darlo Cockney?
Hardly a ringing endorsement if all you have is blind faith. I've not seen anyone who wants TW to stay justify it on the basis of his ability. That to me is telling.lo36789 wrote:The stats don't really look good for Wright no matter how you cut them...has he ever had a third season somewhere though?
It probably is blind faith, because there isn't really a logical reason but I'm kind of happy to stick with him and see what happens.
I don't actually think he would take us down and maybe I am just hoping that he finally works out what it is that has made us tick, on the times when we have ticked and "re-apply".
Mark Bower, Chris Moore, Chris Hardy, Adam Lakeland, as a start, would all be viable candidates.tezza wrote:One day your dream will come to pass .... i can hear the words "i told you so"
I am interested to know who YOU would have in his place, and why were he to leave ?
This.Darlogramps wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:10 amHardly a ringing endorsement if all you have is blind faith. I've not seen anyone who wants TW to stay justify it on the basis of his ability. That to me is telling.lo36789 wrote:The stats don't really look good for Wright no matter how you cut them...has he ever had a third season somewhere though?
It probably is blind faith, because there isn't really a logical reason but I'm kind of happy to stick with him and see what happens.
I don't actually think he would take us down and maybe I am just hoping that he finally works out what it is that has made us tick, on the times when we have ticked and "re-apply".
Too much is made of "We won't go down under TW". We shouldn't be getting anywhere near relegation, certainly not with his budget this season. Yet in both seasons he's been here, we've ended up at some point in the bottom three.
Have we spent longer in the bottom three under TW than in the top 10? I think that might be the case.
Avoiding relegation is not a big success - even TW stated that last season. So why do people insist on presenting it as such?
Good and sensible response.darlo_baron wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:44 amThis.Darlogramps wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:10 amHardly a ringing endorsement if all you have is blind faith. I've not seen anyone who wants TW to stay justify it on the basis of his ability. That to me is telling.lo36789 wrote:The stats don't really look good for Wright no matter how you cut them...has he ever had a third season somewhere though?
It probably is blind faith, because there isn't really a logical reason but I'm kind of happy to stick with him and see what happens.
I don't actually think he would take us down and maybe I am just hoping that he finally works out what it is that has made us tick, on the times when we have ticked and "re-apply".
Too much is made of "We won't go down under TW". We shouldn't be getting anywhere near relegation, certainly not with his budget this season. Yet in both seasons he's been here, we've ended up at some point in the bottom three.
Have we spent longer in the bottom three under TW than in the top 10? I think that might be the case.
Avoiding relegation is not a big success - even TW stated that last season. So why do people insist on presenting it as such?
The budget provided was clearly more than competitive to challenge higher up the league. Of course, football doesn't necessarily work like that, but we are getting out performed by teams with lesser budgets.
We need to improve and not accept avoiding relegation as an achievement.
Can add John Flanagan to that list too.Beano wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:38 amMark Bower, Chris Moore, Chris Hardy, Adam Lakeland, as a start, would all be viable candidates.tezza wrote:One day your dream will come to pass .... i can hear the words "i told you so"
I am interested to know who YOU would have in his place, and why were he to leave ?
I believe Jansen now coaches Blackburn U23's full time. But you're right a very credible candidate should he throw his name in the ring.carlodarlo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:50 amInteresting that Trotman has signed a new deal today. Possibly suggesting that we may have Wright in charge again next season unless we are just protecting the club in tying down one of our more valuable assets. I cant get away from the fact that I like Tommy Wright as a man and I really want him to do well but I just cant see it happening. His record for a club with our budget is not good, There is no way to put together a case that based on results and performances in his tenure that he can be trusted to "learn" and we will be better next season.
In answer to the question of who can we get to replace him, There has already been several good candidates mentioned. I am not sure what he has done after leaving Chorley but Matt Jansen never seems to get a mention. Has had Chorley consistently in and around the top half/play offs and more telling that when he left he left a stable team that someone else has picked up and pushed on with rather than leaving a shitstorm to inherit. I don't know if he has gone elsewhere but if he hasn't he would be near the top of my list if we are to replace Wright.
Ex-Darlo though so plenty of those will be conflicted. Might blow a few minds.divas wrote:For Aspin see Dave Penney. He’d probably be off to a loser with many before he starts because he’s a bit dour
Would anybody really trust TW this summer with another decent budget, especially given that the budget is being cut again placing a greater emphasis on quality over quantity next season?
The majority of his signings in the Summer were poor, I agree. A lot of the players he let go were good enough, and some better than what we have now, I agree.Darlofan97 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:08 pmWould anybody really trust TW this summer with another decent budget, especially given that the budget is being cut again placing a greater emphasis on quality over quantity next season?
Maddison: Can’t command his area and has been replaced by Turner. Has been transfer-listed.
Burn: Poor and hasn’t featured since Christmas. Has been transfer-listed.
Hughes: Signed as a centre-midfielder but was too unfit to play there.
Ainge: Signed as a centre-forward but is finished in that position.
Elliott: Good signing. Get 6/10 from him every match.
Nicholson: Very good signing and technically quite gifted.
Henshall: Very poor signing and a lot worse than Gillies.
There are also questions marks over whether he should have let Turnbull & Gillies go as both would strengthen us.
So that’s 2 out of 7 summer signings that you can say were good. The rest were poor or not good enough for the roles they were signed for.
TW’s win percentage is poor, worse than last season, and the stats are padded with results against opposition who have self-capitualated.
Some people seem to forget that we have a top 7 budget last summer, and even with several cuts, we still should be operating at a position higher than where we are currently. For some reason it’s a miracle to some that we’ve stayed up.
What makes you convinced he has learned and wil get it right spending the budget next year?Darlo2807 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:18 pmThe majority of his signings in the Summer were poor, I agree. A lot of the players he let go were good enough, and some better than what we have now, I agree.Darlofan97 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:08 pmWould anybody really trust TW this summer with another decent budget, especially given that the budget is being cut again placing a greater emphasis on quality over quantity next season?
Maddison: Can’t command his area and has been replaced by Turner. Has been transfer-listed.
Burn: Poor and hasn’t featured since Christmas. Has been transfer-listed.
Hughes: Signed as a centre-midfielder but was too unfit to play there.
Ainge: Signed as a centre-forward but is finished in that position.
Elliott: Good signing. Get 6/10 from him every match.
Nicholson: Very good signing and technically quite gifted.
Henshall: Very poor signing and a lot worse than Gillies.
There are also questions marks over whether he should have let Turnbull & Gillies go as both would strengthen us.
So that’s 2 out of 7 summer signings that you can say were good. The rest were poor or not good enough for the roles they were signed for.
TW’s win percentage is poor, worse than last season, and the stats are padded with results against opposition who have self-capitualated.
Some people seem to forget that we have a top 7 budget last summer, and even with several cuts, we still should be operating at a position higher than where we are currently. For some reason it’s a miracle to some that we’ve stayed up.
However, he will have learned from his mistakes at this point, and will utilise the loan market and keep most of the current squad together if he's here next season. We need some consistency.
The club accepted bids and left it to the players I believe. So if you are Turnbull & Gillies you play for a club who wants you or someone who is happy for you to go. They were both replaced mentally/budget wise by Hughes and Henshall, neither signing worked. I have no problem with a manager making changes and removing players but when you spend the money it's on the managers reputation if it doesn't work.lo36789 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:28 pmI am not sure either Gillies or Turnbull staying was necessary our choice. Both made it clear they wanted to leave.
Also - I think if we thought Hughes was ok big money I suspect Gillies who had playing football for us as his full time job was on more.
I don’t really think gillies was particularly good value for money - maybe better than Henshall but I think there are more factors to Gillies / Turnbull leaving than simply TW not thinking he wanted them.
Great irony with this statement is under TW we have been terminally inconsistent since he joined.Darlo2807 wrote:The majority of his signings in the Summer were poor, I agree. A lot of the players he let go were good enough, and some better than what we have now, I agree.Darlofan97 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:08 pmWould anybody really trust TW this summer with another decent budget, especially given that the budget is being cut again placing a greater emphasis on quality over quantity next season?
Maddison: Can’t command his area and has been replaced by Turner. Has been transfer-listed.
Burn: Poor and hasn’t featured since Christmas. Has been transfer-listed.
Hughes: Signed as a centre-midfielder but was too unfit to play there.
Ainge: Signed as a centre-forward but is finished in that position.
Elliott: Good signing. Get 6/10 from him every match.
Nicholson: Very good signing and technically quite gifted.
Henshall: Very poor signing and a lot worse than Gillies.
There are also questions marks over whether he should have let Turnbull & Gillies go as both would strengthen us.
So that’s 2 out of 7 summer signings that you can say were good. The rest were poor or not good enough for the roles they were signed for.
TW’s win percentage is poor, worse than last season, and the stats are padded with results against opposition who have self-capitualated.
Some people seem to forget that we have a top 7 budget last summer, and even with several cuts, we still should be operating at a position higher than where we are currently. For some reason it’s a miracle to some that we’ve stayed up.
However, he will have learned from his mistakes at this point, and will utilise the loan market and keep most of the current squad together if he's here next season. We need some consistency.
Gillies signed a new one-year deal under TW in April 18’.lo36789 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:28 pmI am not sure either Gillies or Turnbull staying was necessary our choice. Both made it clear they wanted to leave.
Also - I think if we thought Hughes was ok big money I suspect Gillies who had playing football for us as his full time job was on more.
I don’t really think gillies was particularly good value for money - maybe better than Henshall but I think there are more factors to Gillies / Turnbull leaving than simply TW not thinking he wanted them.
Look at TW’s win percentages at this level please:Darlo2807 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:18 pmThe majority of his signings in the Summer were poor, I agree. A lot of the players he let go were good enough, and some better than what we have now, I agree.Darlofan97 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:08 pmWould anybody really trust TW this summer with another decent budget, especially given that the budget is being cut again placing a greater emphasis on quality over quantity next season?
Maddison: Can’t command his area and has been replaced by Turner. Has been transfer-listed.
Burn: Poor and hasn’t featured since Christmas. Has been transfer-listed.
Hughes: Signed as a centre-midfielder but was too unfit to play there.
Ainge: Signed as a centre-forward but is finished in that position.
Elliott: Good signing. Get 6/10 from him every match.
Nicholson: Very good signing and technically quite gifted.
Henshall: Very poor signing and a lot worse than Gillies.
There are also questions marks over whether he should have let Turnbull & Gillies go as both would strengthen us.
So that’s 2 out of 7 summer signings that you can say were good. The rest were poor or not good enough for the roles they were signed for.
TW’s win percentage is poor, worse than last season, and the stats are padded with results against opposition who have self-capitualated.
Some people seem to forget that we have a top 7 budget last summer, and even with several cuts, we still should be operating at a position higher than where we are currently. For some reason it’s a miracle to some that we’ve stayed up.
However, he will have learned from his mistakes at this point, and will utilise the loan market and keep most of the current squad together if he's here next season. We need some consistency.