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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:29 pm
Who do we think will be top at the end. Form team Spenny, Chorley stumbling, Stockport there. The bookies have them pretty close now.
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Agree, there a team definitely not in the right league and it would be good for Spennymoor to spend another season playing us!!QUAKERMAN2 wrote:Really hope Stockport go up with their support and I think they will do it.Spenny to be pipped by Telford in the playoffs
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H1987 wrote:Stockport for me, but Spen have every chance in the playoffs. I weirdly fancy us to take a point from Chorley.
Yet last season, three out of the four who came down were Northern sides. So I'm not sure your logic stacks up here. There are more factors at play.H1987 wrote:It's also quite telling that all of the sides at the bottom of the national league are in the South.
Barring a big turnaround in the National League, it's almost certain at least one side will be moved across.AndyPark wrote:What will happen next season for relegated teams from the National League? Seems likely that x4 southern teams will come down.
Will that mean the likes of Oxford City and maybe Gloucester/Bath City are placed in the 'North'.
Braintree are expecting to be in the North next season if you ask officials at their clubAndyPark wrote:What will happen next season for relegated teams from the National League? Seems likely that x4 southern teams will come down.
Will that mean the likes of Oxford City and maybe Gloucester/Bath City are placed in the 'North'.
Surely not... Braintree is next to London Stansted!? It's a London commuter town in Essex! Surely you'd move someone like Gloucester instead... It'll be a problem though, because all of the National sides near the bottom are (very) Southern, and they can't all go in one league... To be honest, it's not a bad trip for us, but for Braintree the costs over a season would be huge. Especially to the North West.spen666 wrote:Braintree are expecting to be in the North next season if you ask officials at their clubAndyPark wrote:What will happen next season for relegated teams from the National League? Seems likely that x4 southern teams will come down.
Will that mean the likes of Oxford City and maybe Gloucester/Bath City are placed in the 'North'.
H1987 wrote:Surely not... Braintree is next to London Stansted!? It's a London commuter town in Essex! Surely you'd move someone like Gloucester instead... It'll be a problem though, because all of the National sides near the bottom are (very) Southern, and they can't all go in one league... To be honest, it's not a bad trip for us, but for Braintree the costs over a season would be huge. Especially to the North West.spen666 wrote:Braintree are expecting to be in the North next season if you ask officials at their clubAndyPark wrote:What will happen next season for relegated teams from the National League? Seems likely that x4 southern teams will come down.
Will that mean the likes of Oxford City and maybe Gloucester/Bath City are placed in the 'North'.
Intresting points and shows what a farce this restructuring has been. Why not make it 4 down form nln and same from nls, then the play offs would be as they have been for years. As you say if they aint structured so its winners of evostick north v southern central things could be more southern biased than what they are already. Not sure the main guys behind this restructuring but the southern central seem to have good travel distances in comparision to evsotick premier which covers pretty much the same area as beforeAlfie wrote:Gloucester were in the NLN a few seasons ago, didn't we play them in our first season in NLN?
This problem is only going to get worse now we have 4 leagues feeding into the NLN/NLS.
Evostik prem - northern (+ what some would consider north midlands)
Southern Central - East Anglia and midlands
Southern - proper south
Isthmian - mainly London area.
Only one of these could be considered North by most definitions. The 4 league winners move up, plus two more from the four leagues by some play offs. Unless it is structured so that the Evostik prem and the Southern Central play off toproduce a second team then we could get teams from Isthmian and Southern via play offs - meaning we could have one 'northern' and five 'southern' to fit into the NLN/NLS structure. After a few seasons of this then Braintree in the NLN may not be as daft as it sounds.
From my understanding the clubs in NLN wouldn't vote for 4 down when the leagues were increased at Step 3, basically why increase your chances to drop out.shildonlad wrote:Intresting points and shows what a farce this restructuring has been. Why not make it 4 down form nln and same from nls, then the play offs would be as they have been for years. As you say if they aint structured so its winners of evostick north v southern central things could be more southern biased than what they are already. Not sure the main guys behind this restructuring but the southern central seem to have good travel distances in comparision to evsotick premier which covers pretty much the same area as beforeAlfie wrote:Gloucester were in the NLN a few seasons ago, didn't we play them in our first season in NLN?
This problem is only going to get worse now we have 4 leagues feeding into the NLN/NLS.
Evostik prem - northern (+ what some would consider north midlands)
Southern Central - East Anglia and midlands
Southern - proper south
Isthmian - mainly London area.
Only one of these could be considered North by most definitions. The 4 league winners move up, plus two more from the four leagues by some play offs. Unless it is structured so that the Evostik prem and the Southern Central play off toproduce a second team then we could get teams from Isthmian and Southern via play offs - meaning we could have one 'northern' and five 'southern' to fit into the NLN/NLS structure. After a few seasons of this then Braintree in the NLN may not be as daft as it sounds.
Yeah can see why they would not vote but can fa not over rule them, would stop the bottleneck from step 3 and help stop the southern biassuper_les_mcjannet wrote:From my understanding the clubs in NLN wouldn't vote for 4 down when the leagues were increased at Step 3, basically why increase your chances to drop out.shildonlad wrote:Intresting points and shows what a farce this restructuring has been. Why not make it 4 down form nln and same from nls, then the play offs would be as they have been for years. As you say if they aint structured so its winners of evostick north v southern central things could be more southern biased than what they are already. Not sure the main guys behind this restructuring but the southern central seem to have good travel distances in comparision to evsotick premier which covers pretty much the same area as beforeAlfie wrote:Gloucester were in the NLN a few seasons ago, didn't we play them in our first season in NLN?
This problem is only going to get worse now we have 4 leagues feeding into the NLN/NLS.
Evostik prem - northern (+ what some would consider north midlands)
Southern Central - East Anglia and midlands
Southern - proper south
Isthmian - mainly London area.
Only one of these could be considered North by most definitions. The 4 league winners move up, plus two more from the four leagues by some play offs. Unless it is structured so that the Evostik prem and the Southern Central play off toproduce a second team then we could get teams from Isthmian and Southern via play offs - meaning we could have one 'northern' and five 'southern' to fit into the NLN/NLS structure. After a few seasons of this then Braintree in the NLN may not be as daft as it sounds.
My understanding is that is what will happen - NPL play-off winners will play Central League play-off winners in an all-out decider for the last NLN spot.shildonlad wrote:Intresting points and shows what a farce this restructuring has been. Why not make it 4 down form nln and same from nls, then the play offs would be as they have been for years. As you say if they aint structured so its winners of evostick north v southern central things could be more southern biased than what they are already.Alfie wrote:Gloucester were in the NLN a few seasons ago, didn't we play them in our first season in NLN?
This problem is only going to get worse now we have 4 leagues feeding into the NLN/NLS.
Evostik prem - northern (+ what some would consider north midlands)
Southern Central - East Anglia and midlands
Southern - proper south
Isthmian - mainly London area.
Only one of these could be considered North by most definitions. The 4 league winners move up, plus two more from the four leagues by some play offs. Unless it is structured so that the Evostik prem and the Southern Central play off toproduce a second team then we could get teams from Isthmian and Southern via play offs - meaning we could have one 'northern' and five 'southern' to fit into the NLN/NLS structure. After a few seasons of this then Braintree in the NLN may not be as daft as it sounds.
The difference is with the NLN the travelling is North to South, with teams who are geographically in the North going well outside of that area, to the southern areas of the Midlands (e.g. Brackley), the South West (e.g. Gloucester and Worcester) or even near London (e.g. Bishops Stortford).super_les_mcjannet wrote:Not saying the league structure is perfect but why do people think because the word North is in the league that it should just be Northern teams?
If you look at the way the country is in terms of populations and geography it's no surprise that North division goes as far as Brackley. Looking at NLS it can't be great being Truro/Torquay etc. with the travelling in fact Woking are away to Truro tonight and its 480 miles round trip with each way over 4hrs.
The Nat North doesn't have it that much worse than Nat South, just bad for teams that are at the most furthest tips North/South/East/West.
That was remedied last season, they chucked a load of seats in one of the covered standing areas.Spyman wrote:I may have missed something, but have the Ground Improvement Fairies visited Spennymoor yet, or are they scheduled to do so? I thought their ground wasn't currently fit for promotion?
Can you explain that? Spennymoor can build on all 4 sides of the ground...there is no pipeline restricting their ground, nor is there a problem with an existing clubhouse that would restrict development unless the Rugby club consents..H1987 wrote:Yes, i think it's fit for the playoffs - but if they are promoted, they need to have increased capacity to 4,000 by March 31st, and have plans to show how this can be increased to 5,000.
Relatively easy for us to get BM up to 4,000 at least. I suspect it'll be more of a challenge for Spen - and also demonstrating how they could ever reach 5,000.
If you look at the layout of the ground on Google Maps it looks pretty much impossible unless they're willing to spend a load of money to buy peoples homes around the ground. Easier said than done, could cost them millions.H1987 wrote:Yes, i think it's fit for the playoffs - but if they are promoted, they need to have increased capacity to 4,000 by March 31st, and have plans to show how this can be increased to 5,000.
Relatively easy for us to get BM up to 4,000 at least. I suspect it'll be more of a challenge for Spen - and also demonstrating how they could ever reach 5,000.
Really can’t see how Spenny could increase capacity to 5k .Houses on 3 sides and a road on the other means they can’t expand outward.Unless of course uncle Brads pockets have gone down another couple of levels and are now bottomless and he wants to start buying property up.H1987 wrote:Yes, i think it's fit for the playoffs - but if they are promoted, they need to have increased capacity to 4,000 by March 31st, and have plans to show how this can be increased to 5,000.
Relatively easy for us to get BM up to 4,000 at least. I suspect it'll be more of a challenge for Spen - and also demonstrating how they could ever reach 5,000.