Raj Singh Takeover
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The more sensible are sceptical. And Raj doesnt like anyone questioning his motives, integrity or honesty... the dummy may fly into orbit at any moment.
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The big difference at Pools is you have a council that want to see the club succeed plus they own the stadium and surrounding ground the complete opposite to what DBC offered to DFC although do now to Mowden. Pools need Raj’s money and perhaps he wants to show his douters that he can still be a success. Only time will tell but why don’t we all concentrate of all things DFC.
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Final nail in the poolie coffin.
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It never really did go well under Singh though did it. We had the good little run to win the Trophy and sold Burn but that was about it. The bottom line to me is that with him in charge DFC sleepwalked out of the league, then became the pawn in a power game which at every turn Singh ballsed things up.tezza wrote:Despite him some would say.D_F_C wrote:I'm no fan of Singh. But strangely enough we won the trophy under him.
Lets not forget his failure to push on with that under our belt, his stewardship led to the demise
As was said he is great when all going well, however when it gets tough ...that said HUFC is fairly close to becoming a care home
Five relegations in two and a half years - nice
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I am completely confused on why Raj Singh wants to get involved in football again?
I strongly question his motive - I can understand why he wanted to get involved at Darlington - it was the stadium that was the biggest draw to the investors - lets face it. With Hartlepool there is nothing - the council owns the ground.
We know he is a Middlesbrough fan as well.
It will most likely be for his own vanity, probably trying to write the wrongs of the past, which will never happen.
The only reason why shrewed businessmen get involved in football is to feed their own ego - they think they can make the numbers work - when in reality only a handful of clubs make money.
I strongly question his motive - I can understand why he wanted to get involved at Darlington - it was the stadium that was the biggest draw to the investors - lets face it. With Hartlepool there is nothing - the council owns the ground.
We know he is a Middlesbrough fan as well.
It will most likely be for his own vanity, probably trying to write the wrongs of the past, which will never happen.
The only reason why shrewed businessmen get involved in football is to feed their own ego - they think they can make the numbers work - when in reality only a handful of clubs make money.
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Yep, aside from the Trophy win, we had a calamitous season in League Two followed by a very underwhelming first season in the Conference followed by a terrible start to the following season. He mismanaged the club financially, making poor managerial appointments and allowing a revolving-door approach towards player recruitment.theoriginalfatcat wrote:It never really did go well under Singh though did it. We had the good little run to win the Trophy and sold Burn but that was about it. The bottom line to me is that with him in charge DFC sleepwalked out of the league, then became the pawn in a power game which at every turn Singh ballsed things up.tezza wrote:Despite him some would say.D_F_C wrote:I'm no fan of Singh. But strangely enough we won the trophy under him.
Lets not forget his failure to push on with that under our belt, his stewardship led to the demise
As was said he is great when all going well, however when it gets tough ...that said HUFC is fairly close to becoming a care home
Five relegations in two and a half years - nice
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The way poolie are playing at the moment, they'll be relegated without getting a points deduction.
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Having read through a lot of the speculative comments about Raj on the Hartlepool bunker there are a couple of posts suggesting that he may have his eye on getting his hands on the land occupied by the ground with the cooperation of HBC, redeveloping it to make a profit and building pools a new ground elsewhere. Probably nonsense but would provide a more understandable reason for Raj to want to be involved rather than the touchy feely rubbish about wanting to put the wrongs of the past behind him. Whatever his motives I don't think any Darlo fan would believe that it was due to his genuine and respectful desire to help Pools in their hour of need. More like preying on the weak and vulnerable.
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If Gray leaves York (possible for many reasons) then we know he gets on with Singh as they both have an interest in fine wine tasting - oh, and football.
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The MG obsession continues.theoriginalfatcat wrote:If Gray leaves York (possible for many reasons) then we know he gets on with Singh as they both have an interest in fine wine tasting - oh, and football.
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And so do your comments which are just as bad. in my opinionDarlogramps wrote:The MG obsession continues.theoriginalfatcat wrote:If Gray leaves York (possible for many reasons) then we know he gets on with Singh as they both have an interest in fine wine tasting - oh, and football.
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The more people complain about my comments, the more convinced I am that I'm correct.My opinion wrote:And so do your comments which are just as bad. in my opinionDarlogramps wrote:The MG obsession continues.theoriginalfatcat wrote:If Gray leaves York (possible for many reasons) then we know he gets on with Singh as they both have an interest in fine wine tasting - oh, and football.
While the same people keep bringing up MG all the time, I'm going to continue to highlight their obsession. Given you think the MG obsession is bad, I'm delighted to have you on board agreeing with me.
Freedom of speech and all.
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I do agree with you on the MG obsession. However, in your own words "freedom of speech and all"
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I wonder if the administrator of this site could arrange for any post that involve Darlogramps v The Rest Of The World to be removed to their own separate thread so that when we look up a thread that it continues to be about the subject on the header. It can be a bit tiresome to the rest of us to wade through these often off topic slugfest to find another post about the intended subject matter.
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There's a great irony within this post. I'll let others work it out for themselves.en passant wrote:I wonder if the administrator of this site could arrange for any post that involve Darlogramps v The Rest Of The World to be removed to their own separate thread so that when we look up a thread that it continues to be about the subject on the header. It can be a bit tiresome to the rest of us to wade through these often off topic slugfest to find another post about the intended subject matter.
Why does a thread have to stay on topic? Can't it develop into other areas of interest to other people, arguments or otherwise? Who gets the right to judge that? And what if other people have arguments? Do they get removed as well?
Surely the most reasonable course would be to take the half a second and scroll past the bits you don't want to read. As you would for every other post you don't want to read. You're not forced to read or like what I say, but I've got a right to say it.
As I've said, freedom of speech.
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Thing is though, how many people were saying this in May 2011, when we'd won the Trophy and finished 7th in the Conference?Spyman wrote:Yep, aside from the Trophy win, we had a calamitous season in League Two followed by a very underwhelming first season in the Conference followed by a terrible start to the following season. He mismanaged the club financially, making poor managerial appointments and allowing a revolving-door approach towards player recruitment.theoriginalfatcat wrote:It never really did go well under Singh though did it. We had the good little run to win the Trophy and sold Burn but that was about it. The bottom line to me is that with him in charge DFC sleepwalked out of the league, then became the pawn in a power game which at every turn Singh ballsed things up.tezza wrote:Despite him some would say.D_F_C wrote:I'm no fan of Singh. But strangely enough we won the trophy under him.
Lets not forget his failure to push on with that under our belt, his stewardship led to the demise
As was said he is great when all going well, however when it gets tough ...that said HUFC is fairly close to becoming a care home
Five relegations in two and a half years - nice
And in May 2010, when we'd gone down, how many fans were blaming Singh? Not many. I think the majority simply thought he'd been dealt a bad hand.
I agree entirely with the criticisms of him but are we also simply being wise after the event?
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Just a brief thought on a possible future happening - no need to fret.Darlogramps wrote:The MG obsession continues.theoriginalfatcat wrote:If Gray leaves York (possible for many reasons) then we know he gets on with Singh as they both have an interest in fine wine tasting - oh, and football.
It's not as if I have written - Martin Gray please fall over, multiple times ...
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Er no! What are you even talking about, "the event"? What "event" would that be Gramps?Darlogramps wrote:I agree entirely with the criticisms of him but are we also simply being wise after the event?
The way he tried to kill us off after he couldn't get what he wanted?
The non payment of players?
Continually saying one thing then doing another?
Singh's mismanagement, selfishness and skullduggery went on for years.
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Gramps has moved from attacking Tommy Wright to attacking fans opinions on Martin Gray. i wonder who he'll be targeting next?
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The event being the club's collapse under Singh, obviously.
All I'm saying is, up until mid-November 2011, no one was critical of Singh's running of the club.
Yet according to you theoriginalfatcat, his skulduggery and mismanagement went on for years. This would be the very definition of being wise after the event.
All I'm saying is, up until mid-November 2011, no one was critical of Singh's running of the club.
Yet according to you theoriginalfatcat, his skulduggery and mismanagement went on for years. This would be the very definition of being wise after the event.
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"Attack" is a very strong word with violent connotations. Criticise would be more accurate.Darlo_Pete wrote:Gramps has moved from attacking Tommy Wright to attacking fans opinions on Martin Gray. i wonder who he'll be targeting next?
Although, where have I criticised anyone's opinion on MG? I've criticised the obsession some fans have with him. In the same way you said I had an obsession with TW. So you're being a tad hypocritical.
BTW Pete - at the start of the season you were calling for MG to be given more money for signings. Do you stand by that?
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Paranoia is a mental illness and we must be understanding and tolerant.Darlo_Pete wrote:Gramps has moved from attacking Tommy Wright to attacking fans opinions on Martin Gray. i wonder who he'll be targeting next?
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At the time I believe I was right, but Gray changed and spit his dummy out when requests for further funding were rightly turned down. When the teams form dropped away, I was probably the first on here that questioned Gray remaining manager.Darlogramps wrote:"Attack" is a very strong word with violent connotations. Criticise would be more accurate.Darlo_Pete wrote:Gramps has moved from attacking Tommy Wright to attacking fans opinions on Martin Gray. i wonder who he'll be targeting next?
Although, where have I criticised anyone's opinion on MG? I've criticised the obsession some fans have with him. In the same way you said I had an obsession with TW. So you're being a tad hypocritical.
BTW Pete - at the start of the season you were calling for MG to be given more money for signings. Do you stand by that?
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This post was provoked by a desire to keep things focused and interesting. It was not a desire to restrict freedom of speech, as can be seen from my proposal that those who wished to stay with the original topic would have a clearer picture of what others thought about it. On the other hand those who wished to participate in banter on the technicalities of the English language and have the last word in who has the best pointless argument could seek their entertainment on another, more relevant thread.en passant wrote:I wonder if the administrator of this site could arrange for any post that involve Darlogramps v The Rest Of The World to be removed to their own separate thread so that when we look up a thread that it continues to be about the subject on the header. It can be a bit tiresome to the rest of us to wade through these often off topic slugfest to find another post about the intended subject matter.
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Anyone else find making jokes about mental health funny?banktopp wrote:Paranoia is a mental illness and we must be understanding and tolerant.Darlo_Pete wrote:Gramps has moved from attacking Tommy Wright to attacking fans opinions on Martin Gray. i wonder who he'll be targeting next?
No, thought not.
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Quotes from Jeff Stelling on why Singh left Darlington. It was all the fans' fault apparently.
A taking a club from League Two into the Northern League, via an administration is only a "perceived" wrong.
A taking a club from League Two into the Northern League, via an administration is only a "perceived" wrong.
https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/sport/ ... -1-9050720“One of the things that drove him away from that club was that the fans were negative, understandably so, although they did not know the whole story. “That negativity disillusioned him. We weren’t too sure what the response would be but all I would say is that even thought I’d never met him until a few months ago, his intentions are to right a perceived wrong from Darlington.
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I'm sure if we had sold 2000 adult season tickets, as Singh wanted, things would have worked out somewhat differently that season. But it was not a realistic aim. And so it wasn't met. And Singh pulled the plug.
In a similar way, I'm not sure Singh wanting Hartlepool's Trust to contribute 600k for a minority shareholding with no major say on the running of the club is a realistic aim either. And so who knows how Singh will act if this unrealistic aim isn't met...
We've raised over £1m since 2012, but we wouldn't have raised a fraction of that if we only had a minority stake and no real control of the direction of the club.
In a similar way, I'm not sure Singh wanting Hartlepool's Trust to contribute 600k for a minority shareholding with no major say on the running of the club is a realistic aim either. And so who knows how Singh will act if this unrealistic aim isn't met...
We've raised over £1m since 2012, but we wouldn't have raised a fraction of that if we only had a minority stake and no real control of the direction of the club.
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I'm not sure I understand the logic of your last sentence - however I hope that HUFC can be wise about Mr Singh simply because of the events that befell us during his disastrous reign.Darlogramps wrote:The event being the club's collapse under Singh, obviously.
All I'm saying is, up until mid-November 2011, no one was critical of Singh's running of the club.
Yet according to you theoriginalfatcat, his skulduggery and mismanagement went on for years. This would be the very definition of being wise after the event.
At the time he took us over he was our only option, a bit like the situation now at Hartlepool.
In the season when we were relegated from the football league I was was certainly critical of Singh. His approach was terrible, he made mistakes and I remember him saying something like 'he never saw it coming' relegation he was referring to, however everyone else saw it coming, as we were truly awful.
Anyway, to keep things brief, bad management is one thing as s*** happens, but the events during the Singh V DFC end game -- well his actions then simply cannot be defended. We all know what happened, so there's no need to list
it all down here.
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Also, 'perceived failings at Darlington'
Some of the consequences of Singh's involvement in Darlington Football Club include: 2 administrations and all the reputation damage that caused with local businesses, the financial losses to local businesses, going from league 2 to the Northern League, playing under another name for 5 years, no ground, no players, and debt to ex players and staff which the fans paid off.
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Some of the consequences of Singh's involvement in Darlington Football Club include: 2 administrations and all the reputation damage that caused with local businesses, the financial losses to local businesses, going from league 2 to the Northern League, playing under another name for 5 years, no ground, no players, and debt to ex players and staff which the fans paid off.
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People want it all and they want it now, with minimal effort. Raj knows this. Once he knows what you want he’s able to manipulate you. He has the money to make your wishes come true, you know that and he knows that (but that doesn’t mean he’s going to spend it, irrespective of what you might think).
He knows he needs the fans onside and the most efficient way of achieving this is to get a prominent figure to recommend him. This happened with MG and is now happing with Stelling.
He knew that MG wanted money, and lots of it, to increase the playing budget so he could get another promotion under his belt and build his brand. This led MG astray from a professional decision and promote him to the fans (whilst also stabbing our volunteers and fans in the back).
Stelling wants his club to survive in the current league. Raj offers the only opportunity for that occurring. Forget the long term issues, he’s offering “help” today. That’s all that Stelling sees. He doesn’t see that it’s a massive gamble.
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He knows he needs the fans onside and the most efficient way of achieving this is to get a prominent figure to recommend him. This happened with MG and is now happing with Stelling.
He knew that MG wanted money, and lots of it, to increase the playing budget so he could get another promotion under his belt and build his brand. This led MG astray from a professional decision and promote him to the fans (whilst also stabbing our volunteers and fans in the back).
Stelling wants his club to survive in the current league. Raj offers the only opportunity for that occurring. Forget the long term issues, he’s offering “help” today. That’s all that Stelling sees. He doesn’t see that it’s a massive gamble.
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