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Re: Fans' Behaviour

Post by loan_star » Sun Apr 02, 2017 4:25 pm

Darlogramps wrote:

Go on, just post this for the avoidance of all doubt: "There are no excuses or mitigation for the hooligans' behaviour." Just post it once and I'll go away.
I have even named one known troublemaker on here already. Have you? Would I do that if I was trying to defend what they do? Give your head a wobble.
I'm not going to give you the satisfaction of a straight answer when its blatantly obvious to everyone but you what my view is.
You are more concerned about your own personal perceived right to have a drink on the terrace watching football when there are people there who shouldn't be given that privilege. Yes the sensible ones miss out but thats a small price to pay if it helps keep a lid on things.

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Re: Fans' Behaviour

Post by Darlogramps » Sun Apr 02, 2017 4:37 pm

loan_star wrote:
Darlogramps wrote:

Go on, just post this for the avoidance of all doubt: "There are no excuses or mitigation for the hooligans' behaviour." Just post it once and I'll go away.
I have even named one known troublemaker on here already. Have you? Would I do that if I was trying to defend what they do? Give your head a wobble.
I'm not going to give you the satisfaction of a straight answer when its blatantly obvious to everyone but you what my view is.
You are more concerned about your own personal perceived right to have a drink on the terrace watching football when there are people there who shouldn't be given that privilege. Yes the sensible ones miss out but thats a small price to pay if it helps keep a lid on things.
You've named one troublemaker. Whoopee! I've passed on pictures from yesterday. So we're both in the right.

It's a start but it's sad you're letting your personal squabble with me get in the way of condemning unequivocally the troublemakers. There's been some criticism but, in all seriousness, I do genuinely believe you think the alcohol thing is an excuse.

Petty bickering over that is doing neither of us any favours, we've made our points clear so let's call a truce.

I'll admit I've been winding you up (and quite easily I'll add) and actually, for all our bickering, we're on the same side in that we want to see these hooligans removed from our club.

As for drinking on the terraces, I think you might be getting crossed wires here. I've honestly never had a pint at a football ground. It wouldn't affect me in the slightest if alcohol was banned from every football ground. I think it would be a shame if the overwhelming majority of people had to lose out for the actions of a few, and I believe there are alternatives, like preventing these hooligans getting to the ground in the first place. But I can see the merits in some form of restriction of alcohol in order to prevent the situation escalating.

But then you can also argue we manage fine and there's no problem at 95% of away matches.

And I still don't think an alcohol ban at the ground would have made any difference yesterday. We both agree people would still have turned up drunk and caused problems.
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Re: Fans' Behaviour

Post by loan_star » Sun Apr 02, 2017 4:49 pm

Darlogramps wrote: And I still don't think an alcohol ban at the ground would have made any difference. We both agree people would still have turned up drunk and caused problems.
People were already drunk. A landlord has the right to refuse to serve someone they think has had too much. That is my one criticism of Fylde, they kept serving.
But yes, even if they hadn't served any there would still have been bother although there would have been no bottles of fosters to throw.
Nick Burton will have plenty of pictures to hand over. John Watson was also taking pictures after the game from the balcony. The sooner these people are weeded out, the better.

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Re: Fans' Behaviour

Post by BUSHEAD » Sun Apr 02, 2017 5:45 pm

One positive from the fans yesterday was every darlo fan within say 10metres or so of me (and plenty of others no doubt) joined in with the minutes applause in the 19th? minute.
Probably more so than the Flyde fans.

That was good to see.
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Re: Fans' Behaviour

Post by ham » Sun Apr 02, 2017 5:51 pm

The youths that were throwing the bottles at the keeper and causing trouble through out the game were on a mini bus put on by Martin Gray. So maybe we should be asking the manager who they were.

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Re: Fans' Behaviour

Post by liamsears » Sun Apr 02, 2017 6:09 pm

At the risk of sounding like Spen http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1985/57/contents

7 Powers of enforcement.

(1)A constable may, at any time during the period of a designated sporting event at any designated sports ground, enter any part of the ground for the purpose of enforcing the provisions of this Act.

(2)A constable may search a person he has reasonable grounds to suspect is committing or has committed an offence under this Act F1....

(3)A constable may stop a public service vehicle (within the meaning of section 1 of this Act) [F2or a motor vehicle to which section 1A of this Act applies] and may search such a vehicle or a railway passenger vehicle if he has reasonable grounds to suspect that an offence under that section is being or has been committed in respect of the vehicle.

I hoped that we would never get this far but maybe the trash abusing folk while getting on a coach will have been noted by the police for the future, and hopefully forwarded to Durham Constabulary.

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Re: Fans' Behaviour

Post by don'tbuythesun » Sun Apr 02, 2017 6:46 pm

Is there another Martin Gray? I remember going on coaches and being escorted by the police straight to the ground. Any mischief was contained.

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Re: Fans' Behaviour

Post by Darlo_Pete » Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:10 pm

Very sad who mindless idiots yet again drag what's left of the clubs reputation through the gutter. I'm just pleased I didn't make the trip yesterday to witness what happened. It'll be hard for the club to refocus on the remainder of the season.

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Re: Fans' Behaviour

Post by Darlo_Pete » Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:17 pm

The club has just made a statement about the trouble.

http://darlingtonfootballclub.co.uk/clu ... me-update/

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Post by don'tbuythesun » Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:26 pm

Absolutely no way I'm trying to deflect from our problems but i just watched a you tube clip of Danny Rowe's penalty and some of their support running on the pitch. Must be infectious.

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Post by BUSHEAD » Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:35 pm

don'tbuythesun wrote:Absolutely no way I'm trying to deflect from our problems but i just watched a you tube clip of Danny Rowe's penalty and some of their support running on the pitch. Must be infectious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOJjGSAxqpc

The link for the above pitch invasion
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Re: Fans' Behaviour

Post by BUSHEAD » Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:45 pm

Interesting view from the Fylde manager regarding our 'fans' 4m 20secs in on this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl-Mxe7ad6w
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Re: Fans' Behaviour

Post by biccynana » Sun Apr 02, 2017 10:51 pm

BUSHEAD wrote:One positive from the fans yesterday was every darlo fan within say 10metres or so of me (and plenty of others no doubt) joined in with the minutes applause in the 19th? minute.
What was the applause for?

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Re: Fans' Behaviour

Post by spen666 » Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:18 am

Are the incidents of behaviour being blown out of proportion on here?

no mention of trouble in match reports I have read, Fylde manager plays it down in his interview, even the announcement from DFC makes no mention of police involvement etc. There is at this stage no suggestion from anywhere that the FA or League are going to investigate.

Whatever happened should not have happened and cannot be condoned or excused, but is it really as bad as suggested on here?

The bad behaviour needs to be dealt with, and it seems the club are doing all that is necessary.

People on here are doing Darlington fans a dis-service by over playing what happened

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Post by TDS » Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:24 am

When at home, we have numerous police in and around the town, and a few patrolling the ground giving a presence. Alcohol is not permitted outside the bar. I presume this is done on police advice?

Now, let me start by saying there is absolutely no condoning the behaviour of an element on Saturday, but considering the only injury was a gent who fell over a hoarding, I'd say a lot of mouth and no action. Their manager will have heard from their keeper too post match yet played it down in the media.

My initial question is, where's the police presence? You are talking about a big away day on a lot of people's calendars, some stayed in Blackpool all weekend etc, was this not a game to have more than 3 stewards facing up to 600 fans for 60minutes? There were fans turned away at the turnstile I believe for being leary, which is encouraging but maybe a few slipped through.

Second to this, and as I've mentioned, we can't sell alcohol during a match, let alone bottles to use as projectiles (and I'd be interested to know why a crowd of 2600 can buy what are effectively missiles for an entire match, even when the stewards are coming under attack, yet in my experience 99% of away grounds have restrictions in place) with no decision made in terms of shutting the bars.

I guess my point is that yes, there is work to be done in regards to a small group who like to get pissed up and get to the big games but this could've been handled better, using rules that apply to us at home yet for some reason did not away. Once the police turned up and got their board/corporate guests off the front balcony, it quietened down. Something for the club to look at and act upon as best as they can, but I'm inclined to say we do all we can at home games to ensure these things don't happen.

EDIT: Fucking hell I'm agreeing with spen :O

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Re: Fans' Behaviour

Post by dfc4me » Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:47 am

Regarding the guy who fell over the advertising boards that we all thought was simply drunk. I was told after the match that he had, in fact, had a heart attack and was eventually taken away in an ambulance. Hope the guy is all right.

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Post by feethamslad » Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:27 am

dfc4me wrote:Regarding the guy who fell over the advertising boards that we all thought was simply drunk. I was told after the match that he had, in fact, had a heart attack and was eventually taken away in an ambulance. Hope the guy is all right.
I think that these were two separate incidents.

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Post by don'tbuythesun » Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:41 am

Spen as you were not there I'll tell you that this was very disappointing and strangely not directed at opposition fans. It was rowdy, boisterous and really over the top behaviour which was very poorly handled in my opinion. At any premier league ground people would have been ejected at least. Dave Challinor obviously wasn't standing in the away end!

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Post by spen666 » Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:48 am

don'tbuythesun wrote:Spen as you were not there I'll tell you that this was very disappointing and strangely not directed at opposition fans. It was rowdy, boisterous and really over the top behaviour which was very poorly handled in my opinion. At any premier league ground people would have been ejected at least. Dave Challinor obviously wasn't standing in the away end!

I wasn't there and as most (everyone) on here has said ( and I agree), this behaviour has no place in football.

It is good that so many people condemn it.

I just worry that visitors to this forum read this thread and think Darlington have a hooligan problem. If that reputation spreads, then visits from Darlington will be treated as visits from hooligans with heavier handed policing, stewarding, pubs refusing to allow Darlington fans in.

Its a balance, but for incidents which seemingly are not sufficient to merit police action or investigation now, nor FA or League investigations, a thread of this length is perhaps over emphasising what happened and getting Darlington a reputation it does not deserve

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Post by don'tbuythesun » Mon Apr 03, 2017 10:09 am

We've quite clearly said it's a rare occurrence at a few games over a lengthy period by a minority and on this occasion physically no more than some pushing so hopefully anyone reading this thread will understand that. Thanks for your concern.

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Re: Fans' Behaviour

Post by HarrytheQuaker » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:37 pm

I recognised a lad who caused trouble at Rushall Olympic last game of the season when the racist chanting happened I think he got ejected that day, I think they had come down on there own organised coach, it needs sorting

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Re: Fans' Behaviour

Post by LoidLucan » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:48 pm

It's clear Fylde don't really want to make a big thing of Saturday's events. The manager says he didn't think there was anything untoward regarding the supporters but I think he was really just delighted that his side put in one of their best performances of the season and took the three points in a vital game. That's all he wants to come out of the game.

I don't think Fylde as a club want to make it into a big issue either. You have to keep in mind that the way they run the alcohol sales side of things flies in the face of the FA's Good Practice guidelines to clubs. It will also be completely illegal if they did it once they are promoted.

Having said that it only turned into an issue because of a number of idiots for which there is no excuse. Fylde played Stockport recently with several hundred County fans there, quite a number of whom took the opportunity to drink on the terraces. And it passed without incident.

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Re: Fans' Behaviour

Post by lo36789 » Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:00 pm

Think home club generally pick up some form of punishment regardless. I am not sure if this still applies where there is segregation but I believe if a flare comes on the pitch home club is fined regardless of which fan base released it.

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Post by theoriginalfatcat » Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:01 pm

spen666 wrote: Are the incidents of behaviour being blown out of proportion on here?
No.
spen666 wrote:People on here are doing Darlington fans a dis-service by over playing what happened
Except the trouble makers are not Darlington fans, they only turn up occasionally. Hopefully anyone reading this thread through will pick up on this point.
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Post by quakerste » Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:22 pm

Some of those involved on Saturday are at home and away games they are not occasional supporters.

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Post by bga » Tue Apr 04, 2017 8:17 pm

LoidLucan wrote:It's clear Fylde don't really want to make a big thing of Saturday's events. The manager says he didn't think there was anything untoward regarding the supporters but I think he was really just delighted that his side put in one of their best performances of the season and took the three points in a vital game. That's all he wants to come out of the game.

I don't think Fylde as a club want to make it into a big issue either. You have to keep in mind that the way they run the alcohol sales side of things flies in the face of the FA's Good Practice guidelines to clubs. It will also be completely illegal if they did it once they are promoted.

Having said that it only turned into an issue because of a number of idiots for which there is no excuse. Fylde played Stockport recently with several hundred County fans there, quite a number of whom took the opportunity to drink on the terraces. And it passed without incident.
I was not at the game on Saturday so cannot comment on actual events. However my daughter is a Licencee and confirms that a Licensed premises is breaking the law if it knowingly sells alcohol to someone who is intoxicated! But we all knew that I guess? Probably has a lot to do with why Flyde (unlike our friends at Salford a few years ago) are happy to brush "alleged" events under the carpet.

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Re: Fans' Behaviour

Post by poppyfield » Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:44 pm

With all the good things going on with the club this is the last thing we need.
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A investigation into Fylde match incidents

The FA has launched an investigation into the behaviour of a small number of so-called Darlington supporters at the AFC Fylde match last Saturday. The incidents being investigated include throwing plastic glasses and bottles onto the pitch, spitting at a Fylde player, and around 30 fans encroaching the pitch after we scored.

We have received a number of emails so far, which includes the identity of individuals, and we are liaising with Darlington Police about the action to be taken. If anyone has information, but has not yet contacted us, we would urge them to do so as soon as possible. Please e mail us in confidence, on dave.watson@darlingtonfc.org. Your information could be valuable to us.

Club Director, Jonathan Jowett said “This behaviour is totally unacceptable, and goes against everything that we stand for as a fan-owned club. Please help us prevent incidents like this occurring in the future.”
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Re: Fans' Behaviour

Post by bga » Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:56 pm

................Presume FA will have to investigate Fylde "pitch invasion" as well, though it looks like some of their Lads hadn't reached puberty!
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Re: Fans' Behaviour

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I hate technology! Think I posted wrong link but you know where to look!

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Re: Fans' Behaviour

Post by princes town » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:03 pm

poppyfield wrote:With all the good things going on with the club this is the last thing we need.
F
A investigation into Fylde match incidents

The FA has launched an investigation into the behaviour of a small number of so-called Darlington supporters at the AFC Fylde match last Saturday. The incidents being investigated include throwing plastic glasses and bottles onto the pitch, spitting at a Fylde player, and around 30 fans encroaching the pitch after we scored.

We have received a number of emails so far, which includes the identity of individuals, and we are liaising with Darlington Police about the action to be taken. If anyone has information, but has not yet contacted us, we would urge them to do so as soon as possible. Please e mail us in confidence, on dave.watson@darlingtonfc.org. Your information could be valuable to us.

Club Director, Jonathan Jowett said “This behaviour is totally unacceptable, and goes against everything that we stand for as a fan-owned club. Please help us prevent incidents like this occurring in the future.”
I'm really not sure what the club can do. Jowett was absolutely right in his earlier statement that it renders useless a good chunk of work done by people who have supported the club through time and money. We probably won't see a few of these people again until the next day trip. On a volunteer platform, the club does require the good will of 'supporters' and if this doesn't happen the volunteer platform will simply not work in respect of matchday security. I also suspect that there is very little the club can do that they haven't already done apart from issue more token statements. With our relatively large fan base this presents a recurring problem.

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