Harrogate Town to go Full Time

[Beano]

From 2017/18.

http://www.harrogateadvertiser.co.uk/sp ... -1-8316409

[Darlo_Pete]

Strange timing when a good part through the season, when they're only 10th and surely only have an outside chance of making the play-offs. There's no mention of how or who is financing this jump to going full=time either, as they are certainly not the best supported club in the division.

[HarrytheQuaker]

The chairman is minted and his son is the manager.

[lo36789]

There's no mention of how or who is financing this jump to going full=time either, as they are certainly not the best supported club in the division.

definitely think we need an announcement from the club on this - but once again they are keeping their cards close to their chest.

[MikeinBlack2]

Didn't MG say that the cost for us going full time would be circa £1,000,000 a year? That would be some cup run lol

[Emdubya]

There's no mention of how or who is financing this jump to going full=time either, as they are certainly not the best supported club in the division.

definitely think we need an announcement from the club on this - but once again they are keeping their cards close to their chest.

Wow!.Attempted humour by lo there folks.Hope you all got it

[Beano]

As a Harrogate resident, I notice their 3G pitch is very well used. They seem to have a successful revenue stream from functions in their clubhouse, too.

That will by no means cover full time costs. Their crowds are low, many townsfolk travel to York, Leeds, Bradford and even Darlington, but Irvine Weaver's pockets are deep.

[princes town]

As a Harrogate resident, I notice their 3G pitch is very well used. They seem to have a successful revenue stream from functions in their clubhouse, too.

That will by no means cover full time costs. Their crowds are low, many townsfolk travel to York, Leeds, Bradford and even Darlington, but Irvine Weaver's pockets are deep.

They are a very strong club with a brilliant ground. I would caution on fan support. Harrogate never really struck me as a football town when I lived there. However, they do have a very wealthy chairman who would be prepared to back his son.

[Darlo_Pete]

I wonder if all their players will want to do full time?

[lo36789]

I wonder if all their players will want to do full time?

haha good one

[Neil Johnson]

As a Harrogate resident, I notice their 3G pitch is very well used. They seem to have a successful revenue stream from functions in their clubhouse, too.

That will by no means cover full time costs. Their crowds are low, many townsfolk travel to York, Leeds, Bradford and even Darlington, but Irvine Weaver's pockets are deep.

Private Non-match day functions at BM only benefit the Rugby Club.

We had a lot of revenue from the new East Stand at Feethams, from club supporters and public wanting to help DFC. Possibility of some outsourcing that benefits both clubs?

[Neil Johnson]

As a Harrogate resident, I notice their 3G pitch is very well used. They seem to have a successful revenue stream from functions in their clubhouse, too.

That will by no means cover full time costs. Their crowds are low, many townsfolk travel to York, Leeds, Bradford and even Darlington, but Irvine Weaver's pockets are deep.

Private Non-match day functions at BM only benefit the Rugby Club.

We had a lot of revenue from the new East Stand at Feethams, from club supporters and public wanting to help DFC. Possibility of some outsourcing that benefits both clubs?

[DL5]

Is going full time a simple case of a player earns say £400 a week in their normal job and £250 a week part time football wage so a offer is made in that region of £650 a week + pension or is that too simple?

[Darlofan97]

Is going full time a simple case of a player earns say £400 a week in their normal job and £250 a week part time football wage so a offer is made in that region of £650 a week + pension or is that too simple?

I would say that quite a few of the Harrogate players earn more than £250 a week. Somewhere near £350-£400 I should imagine and that may be me being conservative.

You have also got to remember that it is a big ask to ask players to give up their profession and sign just a 1 or 2 year contact, when a lot more security is offered continuing their role and playing P/T football.

[DL5]

Is going full time a simple case of a player earns say £400 a week in their normal job and £250 a week part time football wage so a offer is made in that region of £650 a week + pension or is that too simple?

I would say that quite a few of the Harrogate players earn more than £250 a week. Somewhere near £350-£400 I should imagine and that may be me being conservative.

You have also got to remember that it is a big ask to ask players to give up their profession and sign just a 1 or 2 year contact, when a lot more security is offered continuing their role and playing P/T football.

Yes that's what I'm thinking so they'll probably want quite a bit more than just their combined P/T weekly wage to give up a permanent job for a 2 yr contract. Thinking in terms of us ever going full time again we can probably treble the wage bill then at least, that's a scary thought.

[Yarblockos]

Yes that's what I'm thinking so they'll probably want quite a bit more than just their combined P/T weekly wage to give up a permanent job for a 2 yr contract. Thinking in terms of us ever going full time again we can probably treble the wage bill then at least, that's a scary thought.

We'll just have to sign players who are good at playing football but otherwise unemployable. Should be a few around.

[Maurice_Peddelty]

Is going full time a simple case of a player earns say £400 a week in their normal job and £250 a week part time football wage so a offer is made in that region of £650 a week + pension or is that too simple?

A little bit more than that. Part-time players receive payment for 40 weeks of the year. Full-time players need to be paid 52 weeks of the year.

[DL5]

Is going full time a simple case of a player earns say £400 a week in their normal job and £250 a week part time football wage so a offer is made in that region of £650 a week + pension or is that too simple?

A little bit more than that. Part-time players receive payment for 40 weeks of the year. Full-time players need to be paid 52 weeks of the year.

Yes there's that added expense too.

A full time set up will mean the players are better prepared/rested without the hassle of working before a game (didn't Tommo used tho come off a Friday nightshift and play on a Saturday in the past?) and we'll be able to draw from the pool of professional players not just the best PT ones.

Although the club has done fantastically well to get where it is those small margins that are gained by being full time might be the difference between being a mid table Conference National side or getting back into League 2 (I think we'll be promoted in our current form anyway sooner or later)

We're flying about as high as we can as a PT team, OK we'd maybe hold our own 1 level higher but that's about it.

Factoring in the cost of upgrading BM to league standard then where's the money going to come from? The £1m that MG mentioned? I don't think league money,sponsorship, increased ticket price and corporate earnings will cover the cost

It's a big decision to make for the club especially if/when we get to the next level.

[Darlofan97]

Is going full time a simple case of a player earns say £400 a week in their normal job and £250 a week part time football wage so a offer is made in that region of £650 a week + pension or is that too simple?

A little bit more than that. Part-time players receive payment for 40 weeks of the year. Full-time players need to be paid 52 weeks of the year.

I am sure that when we were in the Conference (2010 / 2011), York used to pay their players over a 39 / 40 week season and they were full-time. They may have been paid over the summer with their salary being worked out pro-rata.

I remember when a former chairman let is slip on BBC Tees after the Mark Cooper sacking that Adam Quinn (now at Gainsborough) was on £52k a year, which is a shocking amount of money.

[JE93]

I think as a team we are a very interesting proposition as a PT team rather than putting all our hopes on being full time, at which point we'd have to compete with the heavily subsidised and 2 year contracts of Gateshead and FL status of Hartlepool. Don't think it will be long (next couple of seasons) till we can get into the Conf National.

We will continue to be the highest place North East PT club which should give us high priority of players who are PT in the North East and are willing to travel further than the northern league boundaries.

At that level while being FT might be desirable we can start to look at the situation differently. Being PT hasn't stopped us signing players like Turnbull, Gillies an Beck all of who i think are Conf National standard. Add to that offering an opportunity for pro's coming to the end of their career, to play part time while they pick up skills for their life after football either through places like darlington college or teesside university etc. And while it hasn't happened yet (bar maybe Tait for a short while) the opportunity for young players who haven't made it thus far to play PT in a professional set up and infront of decent crowds as they try and plot their way back into pro-football.