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a crocked jameson v a fit bell

Post by darlodaz » Sun Aug 28, 2016 3:56 pm

surely this must be a humiliating experience for bell. what was the point of signing him and not use him for the purpose he is here for which in my opinion is to cover injury or sending off.not sure what everyone else thinks but i am not a jameson fan of his all round game think even before the groin injury he has now some of his catching,distribution and decision making to be just standard.decent shot stopper though on a positive note.

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Post by onewayup » Sun Aug 28, 2016 4:41 pm

As we don't know the actual injury or severity of it I trust Martin Gray,s judgment at allowing him to play, I like mark bell terrific banter with him and guy who sits in front of us,and he's a :thumbup: good keeper.

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Post by darlodaz » Sun Aug 28, 2016 5:02 pm

as people have said on previous occasions he is putting us under pressure by playing. the defence seems to have little confidence in him at the min that also includes me and the people i talk to.surely bell has to play at least until jameson is fit.seems teams are aware of the weakness aswell chasing down lost causes and making him work harder.

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Post by eddie-rowles » Sun Aug 28, 2016 5:26 pm

When Ray Simpson asked MG after Chorley game about Jameson he got the standard curt reply when he does not want to discuss something. We were lucky against Chorley but Alfreton caught out. At start of game Jameson had to shout at Galbraith about goal kicking duties "was this not talked about before KO?" Back four afraid to pass back to Jameson hence confusion several times when Jameson rushed out needlessly. I am a big fan of Mark bell and no doubt he is as good, if he is not suitable we need a replacement and urgently

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Post by Radar » Sun Aug 28, 2016 5:57 pm

Bell is a cheap 2nd goalkeeper to have in the squad and is happy to sit on the bench week in week out. He would only ever be used for an emergency situation like a sending off or an injury during the game to Jameson. I have no doubt, if Jameson picked up a long term injury, he would sign a keeper to replace him as first choice by way of a loan signing, possibly even permanent.

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Re: a crocked jameson v a fit bell

Post by theoriginalfatcat » Sun Aug 28, 2016 6:16 pm

Bell played really well in our play off final V Bamber Bridge. A big game for us!

He would be fine to play a couple of games while Jameson got fit.
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Post by Darlo_Pete » Sun Aug 28, 2016 7:18 pm

I think it depends on how long it will take to Jameson to get fit. Unfortunately whilst he's playing at least once a week, he isn't going to get fit. This is the trouble when you have a keeper who doesn't have any real competition for the number one jersey.

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Post by darlodaz » Sun Aug 28, 2016 7:33 pm

really do think this issue with his fitness is going to cost us goals surely gray has some faith in bell hence the signing of him again.

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Post by Darlo_Pete » Sun Aug 28, 2016 7:48 pm

darlodaz wrote:really do think this issue with his fitness is going to cost us goals surely gray has some faith in bell hence the signing of him again.
I think the fact that Bell hasn't been used so far, shows that Gray has more faith in him as a goalie coach rather than a playing keeper.

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Post by Breedon » Tue Aug 30, 2016 10:16 am

It's visibly obvious that the injury is effecting Jameson's performance, mobility and is costing us goals. I know this is cheeky coming from me, but Bell looks a lot beefier than he did a couple of years ago. Looks to be more of an emergency back up looking to get into being a coach rather than direct competition. If Martin doesn't feel confident in Bell surely common sense dictates look at a short term loan so Jameson can get himself back to 100%.

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Post by Neil Johnson » Tue Aug 30, 2016 10:35 am

MG may have been hoping that the injury will heal itself with rests between games (including during work time).

If Jameson is resting and doing no training it may have worsened the impact on his game play, with him being both injured and him missing his pre-match training.

Jameson is normally a very agile and long kicking keeper, so we have to question whether he is getting better and back to par.

Fan messages indicate he is not getting back to par and this is causing us grief.

An injured goalie is a target for heavy tackles, cheeky lobs and near post attempts...

Over to MG for a solution.

Bell seems the obvious choice, rather than have a total stranger being inserted into the defence.

Jameson is a vital player for us and shouldn't be risking worse injuries on the field.

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Post by Darlo_Pete » Tue Aug 30, 2016 11:32 am

I disagree with one of your comments about Jameson that he is a long kicking keeper. I don't think he has ever been able to kick a long ball, unless wind assisted. If Bell was fit, which apparently he isn't then I would take Jameson out of the firing line. But it all depends on how many weeks it would take him to get fully fit. If it was a couple of weeks then fair enough, but if it would take longer to heal, then it's a harder choice to make between a fit Bell and an injured Jameson.

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Post by jjljks » Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:10 pm

Neil Johnson wrote:MG may have been hoping that the injury will heal itself with rests between games (including during work time).

If Jameson is resting and doing no training it may have worsened the impact on his game play, with him being both injured and him missing his pre-match training.

Jameson is normally a very agile and long kicking keeper, so we have to question whether he is getting better and back to par.

Fan messages indicate he is not getting back to par and this is causing us grief.

An injured goalie is a target for heavy tackles, cheeky lobs and near post attempts...

Over to MG for a solution.

Bell seems the obvious choice, rather than have a total stranger being inserted into the defence.

Jameson is a vital player for us and shouldn't be risking worse injuries on the field.
Quite right Johnno, but there is another aspect and it is the back four are losing their confidence so rather than playing the ball back to Jameson, they are turning often into trouble. Even just the extra physical effort of having to sprint 30 yards to regain their position every time after taking the goal kicks for Jameson, is a drain on them. Could not see why Bell did not take over from Jameson as sub on half-time after the yellow card. The reason for the card was frustration on Jameson's behalf, obviously finding it hard to take the pressure when he was not fit and seemingly letting the side down. Bell should be there to take over responsibility until Jameson gets fit again, otherwise we need some alternative cover like a keeper on loan. Unfortunately Hart seems to be set on Turin...... ;)

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Post by spen666 » Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:33 pm

After the most prolonged history of success in Darlington's history. Success which is continuing this season as well, it is incredible that people are doubting Martin Gray's decision making and judgement

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Post by Beano » Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:37 pm

spen666 wrote:After the most prolonged history of success in Darlington's history. Success which is continuing this season as well, it is incredible that people are doubting Martin Gray's decision making and judgement
No one is questioning Martin Gray.

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Post by feethams » Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:07 pm

Not convinced that playing Jameson is the best way to aid his recovery but we don't know the full ins/outs we can only trust M.G. That said, during warm ups, and half time - Bell does seem fit, and can certainly kick a deal ball, which is more than Jameson right now.

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Post by Nigel Batches Beard » Tue Aug 30, 2016 5:49 pm

Radar wrote:Bell is a cheap 2nd goalkeeper to have in the squad .
have you ever seen Mark Bell play? :roll:

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Post by Nigel Batches Beard » Tue Aug 30, 2016 5:56 pm

Not only is Mark Bell a good goalkeeping coach, he is still a quality keeper and a safe pair of hands for exactly this situation. But M.G must have his reason for sticking with Jameson?

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Post by Darlo_Jay » Tue Aug 30, 2016 6:39 pm

if Jameson`s injury is bad enough to stop him kicking off the floor and for his positioning to be so poor (going off Saturdays abysmal performance) fielding a keeper who is carrying an injury is a stupid call, it is not the same as fielding an out field player who is carrying an injury as the outfield player is not protecting the goal. Jameson should be benched or at least until his injury improves, so that he is able to perform to his usual high standard, bell is not a terrible keeper and would be more then suitable as a replacement keeper for peter whilst he recovers. if we keep playing jameson and his injury gets worse and he ends up being out for long term it is not worth it. we then may have to resort to bringing mclaren back (who is 10x worse then bell) and would flop in this league.

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Post by theoriginalfatcat » Tue Aug 30, 2016 8:33 pm

Beano wrote:
spen666 wrote:After the most prolonged history of success in Darlington's history. Success which is continuing this season as well, it is incredible that people are doubting Martin Gray's decision making and judgement
No one is questioning Martin Gray.
That's right (Spen :roll: ) no one is questioning Martin Gray, we are all behind Martin Gray. However - the point of this board is for "discussion of all things Darlo" and we are at present, on this thread, discussing the goalkeeping issues which are of concern.
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Post by Spyman » Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:12 pm

Darlo_Jay wrote:if Jameson`s injury is bad enough to stop him kicking off the floor and for his positioning to be so poor (going off Saturdays abysmal performance) fielding a keeper who is carrying an injury is a stupid call, it is not the same as fielding an out field player who is carrying an injury as the outfield player is not protecting the goal. Jameson should be benched or at least until his injury improves, so that he is able to perform to his usual high standard, bell is not a terrible keeper and would be more then suitable as a replacement keeper for peter whilst he recovers. if we keep playing jameson and his injury gets worse and he ends up being out for long term it is not worth it. we then may have to resort to bringing mclaren back (who is 10x worse then bell) and would flop in this league.
I don't remember McLaren? Jim Provett was our reserve last season wasn't he?

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Post by super_les_mcjannet » Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:24 pm

McLaren is signed up and on a long loan at Billingham Synthonia, he is only about 19.

We also have Lovegreen at Bishop Auckland and Harvey Saunders at Sunderland Ryhope C.W.

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Post by Darlo_Pete » Wed Aug 31, 2016 5:51 am

Darlo_Jay wrote:if Jameson`s injury is bad enough to stop him kicking off the floor and for his positioning to be so poor (going off Saturdays abysmal performance) fielding a keeper who is carrying an injury is a stupid call, it is not the same as fielding an out field player who is carrying an injury as the outfield player is not protecting the goal. Jameson should be benched or at least until his injury improves, so that he is able to perform to his usual high standard, bell is not a terrible keeper and would be more then suitable as a replacement keeper for peter whilst he recovers. if we keep playing jameson and his injury gets worse and he ends up being out for long term it is not worth it. we then may have to resort to bringing mclaren back (who is 10x worse then bell) and would flop in this league.
Bell is supposed to have a shoulder injury, so he may not be fit to replace Jameson and Jameson is the healthier option.

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Post by spen666 » Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:39 am

theoriginalfatcat wrote:
Beano wrote:
spen666 wrote:After the most prolonged history of success in Darlington's history. Success which is continuing this season as well, it is incredible that people are doubting Martin Gray's decision making and judgement
No one is questioning Martin Gray.
That's right (Spen :roll: ) no one is questioning Martin Gray, we are all behind Martin Gray. However - the point of this board is for "discussion of all things Darlo" and we are at present, on this thread, discussing the goalkeeping issues which are of concern.

Clearly not too much of a concern for the person who makes the decisions and the results keep on coming in, so MG's choices would seem to be the right ones.

If no one is questioning the decisions of MG, then there would be no debate on this issue

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Post by theoriginalfatcat » Wed Aug 31, 2016 5:43 pm

spen666 wrote:
theoriginalfatcat wrote:
Beano wrote:
spen666 wrote:After the most prolonged history of success in Darlington's history. Success which is continuing this season as well, it is incredible that people are doubting Martin Gray's decision making and judgement
No one is questioning Martin Gray.
That's right (Spen :roll: ) no one is questioning Martin Gray, we are all behind Martin Gray. However - the point of this board is for "discussion of all things Darlo" and we are at present, on this thread, discussing the goalkeeping issues which are of concern.

Clearly not too much of a concern for the person who makes the decisions and the results keep on coming in, so MG's choices would seem to be the right ones.

If no one is questioning the decisions of MG, then there would be no debate on this issue
Spen, we lost a game on Saturday, we are discussing goalkeeping options, it's what football fans do, no one is dissing Martin Gray, he is probably concerned too, you are annoying.
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