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Trouble at Rushall

Post by Mario » Sat Apr 23, 2016 6:32 pm

Sad to see a few Darlington fans making what appeared to be monkey noises before the match and directed at one of the black players for the opposition today. From where I was stood it looked like the police escorted some of them out at the start of the match.

However it was equally ridiculous to see some of the Rushall players (including the individual who had racist abuse directed at him), stood outside the Rushall dressing room after the match, eyeballing Darlington fans as they celebrated. It was provocative and could have resulted in a serious incident especially when several Rushall players started to get involved. Fortunately the stewards got involved and managed to move the fans on, but not the brightest thing to do on the part of the Rushall players.

Both incidents were avoidable and left a bitter taste to what was a day of celebration for Darlo.

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Re: Trouble at Rushall

Post by don'tbuythesun » Sat Apr 23, 2016 6:53 pm

Really odd that. I thought they were shouting yoof yoof yoof as I was over the other side. I hope our regulars said something as it's something we can well do without. Some people defo the worse for drink...walking into walls and stuff!!!

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Re: Trouble at Rushall

Post by HarrytheQuaker » Sat Apr 23, 2016 8:06 pm

I was stood there and clearly shouted monkey monkey, black **** and making monkey noises... The players were shooting at goal not sure if they were doing it on purpose by shooting in the crowd which got the yoofs incensed... But does not excuse the chants, to many beers on board doesn't help... Shame cos we don't need this

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Re: Trouble at Rushall

Post by Beano » Sat Apr 23, 2016 8:09 pm

If I'd been racially abused I'd want retribution too.

No blame can be apportioned to Rushall players if the allegations are true.

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Re: Trouble at Rushall

Post by Darlo Fonz » Sat Apr 23, 2016 8:17 pm

There was 1 bloke in particular who was making said gestures and thankfully he got escorted out. But what happened after the game was a total farce really, Rushall players goading Darlington fans looking for a fight, even though we were just celebrating and having a good time! The stewards/coaching staff didn't help the situation, all they had to do was send their lads back into their changing room until the fans had cleared. Instead they let them stand behind a gate and shout abuse at Darlington fans...
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Re: Trouble at Rushall

Post by loan_star » Sat Apr 23, 2016 8:24 pm

Darlo Fonz wrote:There was 1 bloke in particular who was making said gestures and thankfully he got escorted out. But what happened after the game was a total farce really, Rushall players goading Darlington fans looking for a fight, even though we were just celebrating and having a good time! The stewards/coaching staff didn't help the situation, all they had to do was send their lads back into their changing room until the fans had cleared. Instead they let them stand behind a gate and shout abuse at Darlington fans...
This :clap:

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Re: Trouble at Rushall

Post by Vodka_Vic » Sat Apr 23, 2016 9:00 pm

The monkey chants were even more brainless, given that some of the Rushall stewards were black, and also we have black players as well. Guess the people who do it are such Neanderthals that this doesn't cross their minds. Our chief steward was there (forgotten his name) and intervened to calm the situation down and escort the lads out.

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Re: Trouble at Rushall

Post by darlogent » Sat Apr 23, 2016 9:10 pm

Only the rushall players causing an issue at the end. They knew what they were doing. That's the sad thing. Saying that. No place for any racism if that's true

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Re: Trouble at Rushall

Post by HarryCharltonsCat » Sun Apr 24, 2016 12:38 am

The sad thing is that we have idiots making monkey noises. Don't try and gloss it over with reaction of players after game. Frankly, some of our "fans" are an embarrasment. I hope our chief steward makes it known to the club who the intellectually challenged "fans" he escorted out are, so we don't have to suffer their presence next year.

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Re: Trouble at Rushall

Post by holmesdale » Sun Apr 24, 2016 6:06 am

Agree with Harry - I was close to the incident and could not quite believe it in this day and age and from the reaction of most others neither could anyone else - the Neanderthal in the white top might have been dragging his knuckles but but he was intent on causing offence & trouble and persisted for 5-10 mins until the police arrived, it was lucky to not all kick off at that point with the Rushall players.

Needs a complete and long ban - identification will be easy as he was at least cautioned by the local constabulary and I am told by the Steward, arrested....

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Re: Trouble at Rushall

Post by Mr_Tibbs » Sun Apr 24, 2016 6:47 am

Shameful. I really think they've got to make an example of people like this - I hope there's enough evidence to throw the book at him...

Incitement to racial hatred - section 18 Public Order Act 1986

Offence

s.18 - using threatening/abusive/insulting words or behaviour or displaying written material with intent/likely to stir up racial hatred

Maximum Penalty

Crown Court - 7 years imprisonment
Magistrates' court - 6 months

Notes

Can only be prosecuted with consent of Attorney General. Referred to CPS Counter Terrorism Division to be dealt with by specialist prosecutor.

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Re: Trouble at Rushall

Post by lo36789 » Sun Apr 24, 2016 7:25 am

really upsetting to know that there still people out there who do this, even more so that it is within our own fans base.

Needs to be dealt with, and I'd hope with policy involvement. It is completely inexcusable.

It has to be the same people surely? It cannot simply be coincidence that whenever there is a 'big' game there is something that happens?

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Re: Trouble at Rushall

Post by Vodka_Vic » Sun Apr 24, 2016 7:38 am

It was also alcohol fuelled, so much so that the bar was closed from 3.15pm until 5.00. Rushall fans couldn't even go to their social club at half time. I bet they're glad we're not coming next season.

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Re: Trouble at Rushall

Post by loan_star » Sun Apr 24, 2016 8:15 am

I'm sure from conference north upwards there is an alcohol ban on coaches anyway. Might stop a few people getting tanked up during the trip.

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Re: Trouble at Rushall

Post by Lawman3 » Sun Apr 24, 2016 8:37 am

Mr_Tibbs wrote:Shameful. I really think they've got to make an example of people like this - I hope there's enough evidence to throw the book at him...

Incitement to racial hatred - section 18 Public Order Act 1986

Offence

s.18 - using threatening/abusive/insulting words or behaviour or displaying written material with intent/likely to stir up racial hatred

Maximum Penalty

Crown Court - 7 years imprisonment
Magistrates' court - 6 months

Notes

Can only be prosecuted with consent of Attorney General. Referred to CPS Counter Terrorism Division to be dealt with by specialist prosecutor.
These things are normally charged as Racially Aggravated Public Order offences, depending on what was said/done.
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Re: Trouble at Rushall

Post by bga » Sun Apr 24, 2016 9:04 am

HarrytheQuaker wrote:I was stood there and clearly shouted monkey monkey, black **** and making monkey noises... The players were shooting at goal not sure if they were doing it on purpose by shooting in the crowd which got the yoofs incensed... But does not excuse the chants, to many beers on board doesn't help... Shame cos we don't need this
Check your post before sending Harry!.........."I was stood there and clearly shouted monkey monkey, black **** and making monkey noises" Or you will be getting a lifetime ban!

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Re: Trouble at Rushall

Post by onewayup » Sun Apr 24, 2016 9:05 am

We do not want or need these moronic mindless thugs who only seem to appear at Times of Darlington fc big games ,I,e play offs last year ,salford,and Blyth,and yesterday, if you know them your information would be welcomed at the club to help get them banned.and keep our club clean .

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Re: Trouble at Rushall

Post by andydarlo » Sun Apr 24, 2016 9:14 am

Sounds like plenty would recognise him although I guess he is a "once or twice a season big games only" attendee.

Presume everyone who recognised him has named and shamed him to the club?
If not, why not ????

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Re: Trouble at Rushall

Post by spen666 » Sun Apr 24, 2016 9:52 am

Mr_Tibbs wrote:Shameful. I really think they've got to make an example of people like this - I hope there's enough evidence to throw the book at him...

Incitement to racial hatred - section 18 Public Order Act 1986

Offence

s.18 - using threatening/abusive/insulting words or behaviour or displaying written material with intent/likely to stir up racial hatred

Maximum Penalty

Crown Court - 7 years imprisonment
Magistrates' court - 6 months

Notes

Can only be prosecuted with consent of Attorney General. Referred to CPS Counter Terrorism Division to be dealt with by specialist prosecutor.


There is NO CHANCE of that offence being charged or made out for what happened. The behaviour described whilst wrong and not acceptable is not likely to incite racial hatred. Inciting racial hatred is more likely to be when you are making racially inflamatory speeches blaming for example the Muslims for all the problems and encouraging people to run them out of the country.

Any case that needs the AG's consent is a very serious offence.

Racially Aggravated S4 Public Order Act is a more likely offence. That carries a prison sentence as a maximum penalty but it is more likely that a community sentence would be imposed.

Incidentally, because of the promotion to National League North, football banning orders do apply, so if anyone has a banning order they cant go to Darlo games. So, those idiots who attach themselves to Darlo for big games could now find themselves banned for a minimum of 3 years from Darlo games ( and all football league, premiership, international games etc).

Hopefully this will give club a powerful weapon to deal with the few idiots who behave like this

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Re: Trouble at Rushall

Post by OHDFC » Sun Apr 24, 2016 12:11 pm

spen666 wrote:Inciting racial hatred is more likely to be when you are making racially inflamatory speeches blaming for example the Muslims for all the problems and encouraging people to run them out of the country.
I would hope not, as Islam is a religion, not a race.

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Re: Trouble at Rushall

Post by loan_star » Sun Apr 24, 2016 1:51 pm

If the club are serious about banning people who are known to cause trouble at matches then can someone please explain why that tub of lard Firthy still gets into home games, never mind away games!!?? This is a bloke caught on film chucking pint glasses in a pub and yet he is there every game. The club make themselves look a soft touch at times. Time they took action.

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Re: Trouble at Rushall

Post by Beano » Sun Apr 24, 2016 2:32 pm

loan_star wrote:If the club are serious about banning people who are known to cause trouble at matches then can someone please explain why that tub of lard Firthy still gets into home games, never mind away games!!?? This is a bloke caught on film chucking pint glasses in a pub and yet he is there every game. The club make themselves look a soft touch at times. Time they took action.
Seconded.

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Re: Trouble at Rushall

Post by offside » Sun Apr 24, 2016 4:45 pm

loan_star wrote:If the club are serious about banning people who are known to cause trouble at matches then can someone please explain why that tub of lard Firthy still gets into home games, never mind away games!!?? This is a bloke caught on film chucking pint glasses in a pub and yet he is there every game. The club make themselves look a soft touch at times. Time they took action.
Totally agree he should of been banned ages ago from attending games

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Re: Trouble at Rushall

Post by Henley » Sun Apr 24, 2016 5:32 pm

loan_star wrote:If the club are serious about banning people who are known to cause trouble at matches then can someone please explain why that tub of lard Firthy still gets into home games, never mind away games!!?? This is a bloke caught on film chucking pint glasses in a pub and yet he is there every game. The club make themselves look a soft touch at times. Time they took action.
Assuming the person in question is Steven/Stephen Firth, some may find this very difficult to believe but as a kid he was not a lardarse and was a handy footballer (he was a Beardsley type player). He was in the year below me at school but he was as thick as a whale omelette so it's not surprising he's become the person he has.

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Re: Trouble at Rushall

Post by HarrytheQuaker » Sun Apr 24, 2016 6:44 pm

bga wrote:
HarrytheQuaker wrote:I was stood there and clearly shouted monkey monkey, black **** and making monkey noises... The players were shooting at goal not sure if they were doing it on purpose by shooting in the crowd which got the yoofs incensed... But does not excuse the chants, to many beers on board doesn't help... Shame cos we don't need this
Check your post before sending Harry!.........."I was stood there and clearly shouted monkey monkey, black **** and making monkey noises" Or you will be getting a lifetime ban!
Lol....yeah not me I add

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Re: Trouble at Rushall

Post by darlogent » Sun Apr 24, 2016 7:32 pm

Agree with all said. This behaviour is only going to get worse next season if not nipped in the bud now! I have heard first hand that plans are already in place for next season "big games". I won't be bringing my 9 year old son to games anymore for his own safety. That's a real shame.

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Re: Trouble at Rushall

Post by don'tbuythesun » Sun Apr 24, 2016 7:44 pm

I'm disappointed to hear that. I've taken my kids all over the country and very rarely seen or heard any bother. A bit of mouthing off at Shrewsbury and Rotherham, a kick off in the corner at Bournemouth and handbags at Salford. It's easy to avoid any problems if you keep your eyes open. Seems a bit out if proportion to me. It's not the seventies!!

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Re: Trouble at Rushall

Post by PierremontQuaker03 » Sun Apr 24, 2016 8:11 pm

All club have knob head fans - and we seem to be well endowed with our share.
Lets not let them dampen the celebrations however.
I plan on bringing my kid to matches soon, but if our fans cant act in a civilized manner then I wont go back, its a shame.
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Re: Trouble at Rushall

Post by darlogent » Sun Apr 24, 2016 8:21 pm

It's not the home games as much but the away games. 3 times we have gone this season away and 3 times been trouble. Once in the pub we were in having some food. When my pop took me to away games in late 80's early 90's throughout I always felt safe. This bunch are a different breed. It needs to stop now. We a family club not a fight club

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Re: Trouble at Rushall

Post by darlogent » Sun Apr 24, 2016 8:23 pm

Fantastic season mind and proud of dfc

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