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Re: Stadium Design Optimisation

Post by darlo reborn » Mon Mar 21, 2016 11:24 pm

The rugby club only play about 14 games at home don`t they so may not be to much damage to pitch

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Stadium Design Optimisation

Post by uncovered » Mon Mar 21, 2016 11:44 pm

dickdarlington wrote:One thing I've struggled to get my head around is why it will be so expensive to redirect the pipe. At most it will be 500m in length, through undeveloped grassland. You dig a ditch, add the pipe. Stop the flow. Connect it up (admittedly I anticipate that's the difficult part) and then open the pipe up again.

However, because of it I'm hugely optimistic we're going to have a unique ground with tons of character that we can be proud of. Much like Feethams.

Making the most of limited space, the plans at Exeter are interesting. They want to replace the main stand and the away end ( which if you've been is awful). Both are very restricted in terms of space (the main stand has a railway line behind it) and the architects have designed two very basic structures to suit the space available. Right up our street.
The pipe is not a standard pipe. I am not going to go into detail on here but to give you an idea of the work involved, the same pipe had to be diverted around the arena, cost was in the 100s of thousands.

The flow, over a millions litres a day, cannot be stopped at any point.

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Re: Stadium Design Optimisation

Post by Darlo_Pete » Tue Mar 22, 2016 12:27 am

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dickdarlington wrote:One thing I've struggled to get my head around is why it will be so expensive to redirect the pipe. At most it will be 500m in length, through undeveloped grassland. You dig a ditch, add the pipe. Stop the flow. Connect it up (admittedly I anticipate that's the difficult part) and then open the pipe up again.

However, because of it I'm hugely optimistic we're going to have a unique ground with tons of character that we can be proud of. Much like Feethams.

Making the most of limited space, the plans at Exeter are interesting. They want to replace the main stand and the away end ( which if you've been is awful). Both are very restricted in terms of space (the main stand has a railway line behind it) and the architects have designed two very basic structures to suit the space available. Right up our street.
The pipe is not a standard pipe. I am not going to go into detail on here but to give you an idea of the work involved, the same pipe had to be diverted around the arena, cost was in the 100s of thousands.

The flow, over a millions litres a day, cannot be stopped at any point.
I know that the water main pipe diversion around the landslip at High Coniscliffe cost £m's of pounds and that was diverted only about a mile. I am assuming Scott that the pipes at Blackwell and High Coniscliffe were similar types?

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Re: Stadium Design Optimisation

Post by feethams » Wed Mar 23, 2016 9:27 am

Are the official plans still online anywhere or are we awaiting a new proposal?

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Re: Stadium Design Optimisation

Post by Darlogramps » Wed Mar 23, 2016 9:34 am

dickdarlington wrote:One thing I've struggled to get my head around is why it will be so expensive to redirect the pipe. At most it will be 500m in length, through undeveloped grassland. You dig a ditch, add the pipe. Stop the flow. Connect it up (admittedly I anticipate that's the difficult part) and then open the pipe up again.
This sums up why threads like this can become ridiculous.

People with no knowledge of a subject commenting as if they are experts.

As said earlier, I'm sure Malcolm Cundick would love assistance from the amount of architects who've cropped up here.
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Re: Stadium Design Optimisation

Post by dickdarlington » Wed Mar 23, 2016 9:46 am

Darlogramps wrote:
dickdarlington wrote:One thing I've struggled to get my head around is why it will be so expensive to redirect the pipe. At most it will be 500m in length, through undeveloped grassland. You dig a ditch, add the pipe. Stop the flow. Connect it up (admittedly I anticipate that's the difficult part) and then open the pipe up again.
This sums up why threads like this can become ridiculous.

People with no knowledge of a subject commenting as if they are experts.

As said earlier, I'm sure Malcolm Cundick would love assistance from the amount of architects who've cropped up here.
Excuse me, I have never claimed to be an expert. I merely have a specific interest in such matters. It was a questionable point as on the face of it, it doesn't seem an insummountable obstacle. Regarding your branding of Malcolm's name. I actually know him, and have spoken about the project on a number of occasions. He has answered my queries with understanding that I am indeed a layman on such matters. And with the respect that i ask only for the general concern i have for the club. I feel my points (when not tongue in cheek) are for the most part valid, and I don't appreciate random assaulting of what was a valid question. It's not the first time you've poo poo'd people for asking innocent questions.

This is a forum, where people are free to ask questions, make statements and generally engage in a discussion. And that's what this thread is about. Nothing has been mentioned out of place.

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Re: Stadium Design Optimisation

Post by tezza » Wed Mar 23, 2016 9:48 am

Darlogramps wrote:
dickdarlington wrote:One thing I've struggled to get my head around is why it will be so expensive to redirect the pipe. At most it will be 500m in length, through undeveloped grassland. You dig a ditch, add the pipe. Stop the flow. Connect it up (admittedly I anticipate that's the difficult part) and then open the pipe up again.
This sums up why threads like this can become ridiculous.

People with no knowledge of a subject commenting as if they are experts.

As said earlier, I'm sure Malcolm Cundick would love assistance from the amount of architects who've cropped up here.
Well said: Absolutely amazing suggesting involvement in one post, then stating unable to comprehend in the next, says it all.
The "what we should do" "I said that" comments add little or no value at this time

The enthusiasm is great , however this is a very specialised subject with a number of key skilled individuals involved with a complex supply chain and not to mention authorities.

It would be a miracle if they get the thing completely right and to every individual choice etc.

The current objective is to get the thing moving

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Re: Stadium Design Optimisation

Post by tezza » Wed Mar 23, 2016 9:50 am

dickdarlington wrote:
Darlogramps wrote:
dickdarlington wrote:One thing I've struggled to get my head around is why it will be so expensive to redirect the pipe. At most it will be 500m in length, through undeveloped grassland. You dig a ditch, add the pipe. Stop the flow. Connect it up (admittedly I anticipate that's the difficult part) and then open the pipe up again.
This sums up why threads like this can become ridiculous.

People with no knowledge of a subject commenting as if they are experts.

As said earlier, I'm sure Malcolm Cundick would love assistance from the amount of architects who've cropped up here.
Excuse me, I have never claimed to be an expert. I merely have a specific interest in such matters. It was a questionable point as on the face of it, it doesn't seem an insummountable obstacle. Regarding your branding of Malcolm's name. I actually know him, and have spoken about the project on a number of occasions. He has answered my queries with understanding that I am indeed a layman on such matters. And with the respect that i ask only for the general concern i have for the club. I feel my points (when not tongue in cheek) are for the most part valid, and I don't appreciate random assaulting of what was a valid question. It's not the first time you've poo poo'd people for asking innocent questions.

This is a forum, where people are free to ask questions, make statements and generally engage in a discussion. And that's what this thread is about. Nothing has been mentioned out of place.
Well it sounded to me like you were setting yourself up as an expert, obviously to others also.

Best we all pull in the same direction , starting Thursday evening.

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Re: Stadium Design Optimisation

Post by Darlogramps » Wed Mar 23, 2016 10:09 am

dickdarlington wrote: Excuse me, I have never claimed to be an expert. I merely have a specific interest in such matters. It was a questionable point as on the face of it, it doesn't seem an insummountable obstacle. Regarding your branding of Malcolm's name. I actually know him, and have spoken about the project on a number of occasions. He has answered my queries with understanding that I am indeed a layman on such matters. And with the respect that i ask only for the general concern i have for the club. I feel my points (when not tongue in cheek) are for the most part valid, and I don't appreciate random assaulting of what was a valid question. It's not the first time you've poo poo'd people for asking innocent questions.
"Random assaulting" - Stop being so oversensitive and grow up. My criticism of your post is entirely justified.

It wasn't an innocent question at all. It was 100% guesswork on your part. Scott's subsequent response shows that. The pipe situation has been repeatedly explained on here and at forums by people with better knowledge than the majority of us.

You had no idea what you were talking about, so why comment, particularly in the manner you did? People with more expertise would have already suggested a solution if it was as simple as you made out. So clearly it's a lot more complex.

That kind of supposition you were making is not helpful to anyone. Particularly when you were coming across as if you were putting yourself up as an expert.

Developing a thicker skin might also help you. You sound stunned someone has the temerity to question you for being clueless on an issue.

As said, enthusiasm is fine and we do all want the best for the club. But let's also trust the people who know more on respective subjects than we do.
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Re: Stadium Design Optimisation

Post by TDS » Thu Mar 24, 2016 8:25 am

Yes trust gramps. Something you lacked when you said everything should be questioned.

Its an unnofficial forum for posts exactly like the ones in this thread.

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Re: Stadium Design Optimisation

Post by Darlogramps » Thu Mar 24, 2016 8:37 am

TDS wrote:Yes trust gramps. Something you lacked when you said everything should be questioned.

Its an unnofficial forum for posts exactly like the ones in this thread.

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Ah TDS, another post about me. Do you have nothing better to comment about?

And I didn't say "everything" should be questioned. You are keen on misrepresenting my arguments.

I said the financing of the Hardy deal didn't add up and provided reasoning (which for some reason really upset the blind faith loyalists on this board).

Very different to what Dickdarlington was doing because I was commenting on official statements the club had made.

As has been shown in this thread, Dickdarlington was speculating without knowledge about the pipe.

If people want to speculate without knowledge then fine, but don't get upset when you get called out on it.

As an aside, I can't make the FF tonight but have emailed a question on the Hardy deal. Wonder if it'll get read out?
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Re: Stadium Design Optimisation

Post by m62exile » Thu Mar 24, 2016 9:38 am

Darlogramps wrote:
TDS wrote:Yes trust gramps. Something you lacked when you said everything should be questioned.

Its an unnofficial forum for posts exactly like the ones in this thread.

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Ah TDS, another post about me. Do you have nothing better to comment about?

And I didn't say "everything" should be questioned. You are keen on misrepresenting my arguments.

I said the financing of the Hardy deal didn't add up and provided reasoning (which for some reason really upset the blind faith loyalists on this board).

Very different to what Dickdarlington was doing because I was commenting on official statements the club had made.

As has been shown in this thread, Dickdarlington was speculating without knowledge about the pipe.

If people want to speculate without knowledge then fine, but don't get upset when you get called out on it.

As an aside, I can't make the FF tonight but have emailed a question on the Hardy deal. Wonder if it'll get read out?
If the question requires an answer that gives financial disclosures about a specific transfer then I'd expect it won't be, in line with the club's policy since 2012.

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Re: Stadium Design Optimisation

Post by Darlogramps » Thu Mar 24, 2016 9:59 am

In that case, there should be no issue at all.
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Re: Stadium Design Optimisation

Post by TDS » Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:20 am

I could say the same about you and picking fights instead of commenting in regards the football (which I admit has maybe been too plain sailing for you, what with your confrontational nature ;)).

Anyway, I don't see any harm in fans putting forward their views. Clearly suggesting that moving a huge pipe is a bit silly and will have been obviously discounted early on. It shouldn't be shouted down however as all ideas should be broadcast. Nobody is trying to be an architect.

On your Hardy point, it becomes sensitive information when other clubs see what we are potentially willing to pay for players doesn't it? Fulham asked us to shut the front door in regards to Burn, due to similar concerns.

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Re: Stadium Design Optimisation

Post by dickdarlington » Thu Mar 24, 2016 12:54 pm

I'm don't want to get broiled up in a slanging match. I stand by my comments and my questions (and i was purely trying to justify them).

Just because someone doesn't have an understanding of one aspect, doesn't make them less knowledgeble in other areas.

Perhaps, I worded the post poorly, but Scott kindly supplied a summary which was more than sufficent. To which I thank him. That should have been the end of it.

Reading it back again, at not point (to me) does it sound like I'm speculating. I was trying to convey the logic in laymans terms. If it's been interpretted another way, then so be it. It doesn't need someone to start ranting about it, which is what happened. With this, I'm done on the matter.

I'm eagerly looking forward to this evening. It should be an enlightening and positive evening for the whole club.

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Re: Stadium Design Optimisation

Post by DarloOnTheUp » Thu Mar 24, 2016 3:32 pm

I think TDS and DG should get a room, they clearly want to make sweet love to each other.

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Re: Stadium Design Optimisation

Post by Spyman » Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:03 am

Darlogramps wrote:In that case, there should be no issue at all.
So......

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On Sunday April 29, 2012 at 10:25 pm, Darlo Cockney wrote:Sadly some people have nothing better to do that invent rumours.

We will be playing at the arena again next season - fact.

Quakerz - if you actually attended games and spoke to people you might actually find our facts, rather than spreading s*** on this board.

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Re: Stadium Design Optimisation

Post by Neil Johnson » Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:41 am

Some feedback.

DRFC had 2 games called off this season (1 snow & 1 waterlogging) & grass is in good nick.

DFC / DRFC to mow grass to different heights pre-matches.

Modular stands with seats can be added during season as crowd income becomes more predictable (some economy in scale on costs per module?)

Feethams Tin Shed stanchions to be re-used and the new covered stand to have a 900 standing capacity.

Portaloos / Food Kiosks to be provided away from the club house.

Clubs are talking to Taylors regarding pies etc.

Public / Rugby to have access to segregated part of clubhouse during DFC games.

New changing rooms to be built onto clubhouse.

Over 200 in ground floor bar tonight, Another 2 bars in clubhouse of similar size, (although 1 may be for public/rugby?).

Marquees have been used in the past between clubhouse and pitch to increase capacity of bars.

Real ales tonight - Deuchers and Theakstons Lightfoot.

Disabled "covered area" is planned in, not far from designated disabled parking.

Both clubs seem happy to consider suggestions w.r.t. facilities / social events.

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Re: Stadium Design Optimisation

Post by Neil Johnson » Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:48 am

Darlo_Pete wrote:
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dickdarlington wrote:One thing I've struggled to get my head around is why it will be so expensive to redirect the pipe. At most it will be 500m in length, through undeveloped grassland. You dig a ditch, add the pipe. Stop the flow. Connect it up (admittedly I anticipate that's the difficult part) and then open the pipe up again.

However, because of it I'm hugely optimistic we're going to have a unique ground with tons of character that we can be proud of. Much like Feethams.

Making the most of limited space, the plans at Exeter are interesting. They want to replace the main stand and the away end ( which if you've been is awful). Both are very restricted in terms of space (the main stand has a railway line behind it) and the architects have designed two very basic structures to suit the space available. Right up our street.
The pipe is not a standard pipe. I am not going to go into detail on here but to give you an idea of the work involved, the same pipe had to be diverted around the arena, cost was in the 100s of thousands.

The flow, over a millions litres a day, cannot be stopped at any point.
I know that the water main pipe diversion around the landslip at High Coniscliffe cost £m's of pounds and that was diverted only about a mile. I am assuming Scott that the pipes at Blackwell and High Coniscliffe were similar types?
What diversion? - none needed at BM.

Clubs just leave gaps for access when required.

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