Interesting comment on DRFC

[loan_star]

Pinched from Facebook, one persons comments on last nights AGM at the rugby club.....

"Well after sitting through the biggest bunch of lies I've ever heard and being asked to leave my club for which I have been a member of for 21 years !!!
Having spent more money in one week than most of the tight fisted so called supporters of the club ,,,, reason I was asked to leave was I happened to challenge Andy Gunnells (who was standing in for the secretary who didn't come !!!!no wonder there then) statement of "the reasons for the costs were due to paying the ex-staff redundancy payments and holiday pay"
WHAT ???????
I said that's not true as you haven't paid them a penny !!!
He then said I was recording this meeting and had to stop. To which I replied ,,, am I ?
Then most of the so called members (the sheep) all had a vote to ask me to leave !!!!
One raggy tashed arsehole (spends zit in the club) said I'm only a £7 member and shouldn't be in the meeting !!! Wow ,,, I'm a social member and pay my £20 odd pound every year and up until very recently paid a further £5 per month to the club for the 200 club ,,, that equates to over £80 per year you tosser !!!More than you pay for your full membership !!!!
In fact that's more than you spend in two years at the club!!!
I refused to leave and was told by a junked up bitch to shut up and stop going on about the money that 55 members of the 200 club have been robbed of !!!!!
Like she has been there long ????
Another sheep !!!!
It's a cover up of fraud and the leader of the pack is a thief !!!!! The sheep just believe him ????
I was then told by an ex-con , if I had any more to say he would see me outside ,,, to which I replied ok I will .
(He didn't turn up !!!!! )
The rest of the meeting was all lies and cover ups. As we all knew it would be ,,, so no surprises there then !!!!
Not one person in that room put up any objections or asked any thing that you would expect to be asked at an AGM !!! Not one !!!!!!
AGM at that club stands for ALL GLORIFY MIKE !!!!!
pathetic bah bah !!!
I pity DFC if they ever move there because they too will be back stabbed !!
You have been warned !!!
Good luck to the players for the coming season, it's nothing to do with you.
It's that bunch of two faced lying bastards who sit at the front of the meeting and lie to us all !!! (Except you Connie)
I'm gutted that the majority of the members believe all that crap without questioning any thing ?????
I'd like to thank captain chaos , Connie , mick the sparky, lee and Ali for at least not condemning me like the rest of the shits who spoke up against me !!!
We all know I only have the club at heart and have given my all over the years and have supported all that we have tried to make it better.
I will take my self off to Aycliffe rugby club now and ask to join them . Incidentally they have a trustworthy chairman, John Whitehouse
Who will listen and guide that club to bigger and better days.
I'm sorry to leave my club but feel like an outsider now and not wanted,,,, all because I stood up and said the truth !!!
Bye DRFC , your in bad hands !!!!!!
P.s. I will be back when the arse hole is finally found out and I will laugh in all you followers faces and do my best to get YOU out of my club !!!!!!!
Lol arseholes !!!!! Your time will come ."

[Twintowers]

Fookin ell !!!!!.Its either a right nest of vipers or he's been drinking on an empty head.

[Quakerz]

Every club has a mentalist blabbermouth follower with a million unfounded axes to grind, who will rant on at anyone who will give them the time of day.

I suspect we've just came across DRFC's resident gobshite/nutjob.

[JE93]

While I'm sure this is rather inflated in proportions when i read the article in the echo the other bay i did see a few things that i thought were swept under the carpet when they could be much larger issues underneath.

First of all was the debt. Who is this owed to? £175,000 is by no means a small amount especially for a club with limited cash flow. This all depends on how the debt is structured of course. But that is a large debt and will gain interest. What will happen when these debts are called in?

The other thing was the possible litigation from former employees from when they changed to amateur status. I remember at the time the echo reported that the staff were unhappy as their contracts were cancelled without proper notice and in some cases without pay. Would be interesting to hear a few more accounts of what happened at the AGM but there are certainly some issues at the rugby club that don't seem as rosey as they want them to seem.

[Neil Johnson]

Sounds just like MPRFC many years ago when the 100 plus social members were given the heave ho to avoid embarrassing questions about the "amateur" status of players, mysterious financing and ground sale.

Any professional relationship with a Rugby Club must be "straight forward and all encompassing" and not open to potential interpretation & extortion.

[PierremontQuaker03]

He forgot to thank Snuffy, Al, Leo and Little Mo with the gimpy leg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7fqaNNXQMk

[wizardofos]

Pinched from Facebook, one persons comments on last nights AGM at the rugby club.....

"Well after sitting through the biggest bunch of lies I've ever heard and being asked to leave my club for which I have been a member of for 21 years !!!
Having spent more money in one week than most of the tight fisted so called supporters of the club ,,,, reason I was asked to leave was I happened to challenge Andy Gunnells (who was standing in for the secretary who didn't come !!!!no wonder there then) statement of "the reasons for the costs were due to paying the ex-staff redundancy payments and holiday pay"
WHAT ???????
I said that's not true as you haven't paid them a penny !!!
He then said I was recording this meeting and had to stop. To which I replied ,,, am I ?
Then most of the so called members (the sheep) all had a vote to ask me to leave !!!!
One raggy tashed arsehole (spends zit in the club) said I'm only a £7 member and shouldn't be in the meeting !!! Wow ,,, I'm a social member and pay my £20 odd pound every year and up until very recently paid a further £5 per month to the club for the 200 club ,,, that equates to over £80 per year you tosser !!!More than you pay for your full membership !!!!
In fact that's more than you spend in two years at the club!!!
I refused to leave and was told by a junked up bitch to shut up and stop going on about the money that 55 members of the 200 club have been robbed of !!!!!
Like she has been there long ????
Another sheep !!!!
It's a cover up of fraud and the leader of the pack is a thief !!!!! The sheep just believe him ????
I was then told by an ex-con , if I had any more to say he would see me outside ,,, to which I replied ok I will .
(He didn't turn up !!!!! )
The rest of the meeting was all lies and cover ups. As we all knew it would be ,,, so no surprises there then !!!!
Not one person in that room put up any objections or asked any thing that you would expect to be asked at an AGM !!! Not one !!!!!!
AGM at that club stands for ALL GLORIFY MIKE !!!!!
pathetic bah bah !!!
I pity DFC if they ever move there because they too will be back stabbed !!
You have been warned !!!
Good luck to the players for the coming season, it's nothing to do with you.
It's that bunch of two faced lying bastards who sit at the front of the meeting and lie to us all !!! (Except you Connie)
I'm gutted that the majority of the members believe all that crap without questioning any thing ?????
I'd like to thank captain chaos , Connie , mick the sparky, lee and Ali for at least not condemning me like the rest of the shits who spoke up against me !!!
We all know I only have the club at heart and have given my all over the years and have supported all that we have tried to make it better.
I will take my self off to Aycliffe rugby club now and ask to join them . Incidentally they have a trustworthy chairman, John Whitehouse
Who will listen and guide that club to bigger and better days.
I'm sorry to leave my club but feel like an outsider now and not wanted,,,, all because I stood up and said the truth !!!
Bye DRFC , your in bad hands !!!!!!
P.s. I will be back when the arse hole is finally found out and I will laugh in all you followers faces and do my best to get YOU out of my club !!!!!!!
Lol arseholes !!!!! Your time will come ."

Who posted this on facebook?

[loan_star]

Not for me to say, since I pinched it off his status anyway! Let just say he's not a member there anymore.

[Darlo_Pete]

There's no smoke without fire, as the saying goes. He sounded well pissed off.

[lo36789]

Quakerz has hit nail on the head. We have 3 of 4 people who think there is conspiracy with our current board and voice their opinion in public places. I suspect we have found the DRFC version of these people.

Agree no smoke without fire - but it sounds like this guy ignited the fire himself.

[princes town]

His main point appears to be whether the departing staff were paid the statutory pay.

[footifan]

These are the comments from a friend that has an inside view of the Rugby Club. NOTE these comments are his view only , not the official view of either side.

"The Facebook comments are a hangover from the change of policy on staffing and a cock up on the 200 club. It is not all rosy but we will have to wait and see. Figures are improving I’m told. We both know the gentleman involved ... he’s obviously been kicked out with a big axe to grind.

On the merger both sides seem to have made a pigs ear of the many meetings leading up to the present situation. The Football Club have assumed they can walk in and do ‘this and that’ without any formal agreements and the rugby club have obviously not asked the right questions about what the football club’s needs will be and whether they will fit in with the rugby requirements

A few weeks ago at a meeting Football made it’s demands formally, alleging they had been agreed. The DRFC solicitor was in no doubt that they had not been agreed and it would appear that there is no formal documentation to support DFC’s claim. The demands ‘as explained to me’ were unacceptable and without any ‘give & take’ However I was not there and they came second hand

The football club were asked to reconsider so they left the meeting and have recently, as you probably know, complained to our ‘one eared’ MP rather than looking for a negotiated selection. You know from business that there is always a middle ground and it can take time to find that

As I understand I wasn’t greed it was operational arrangements for match days that were a stumbling block. Yes bar take was raised but again with no negotiation on how to apportion income based on the split between rugby and football activity on the day That was always going to depend on clever calculations agreeable to both sides

Bill Dixon has put an island in the middle of the road and built another bus stop out side the ground. Classic - I wonder if he checked the status of the negotiations first

My conclusions are that the whole thing has been progressed by a bunch of ‘amateurs’. The sooner they get together again and work out negotiated settlements to remove the stumbling blocks the better. Both parties have shown a lack of professionalism in the recent past. The sooner they get back to the table the better - walking out in a huff gets no one anywhere

There we go - You can pass my views on but don’t quote me - as I have said it is only what people tell me. However it sounds about right "

[divas]

Thanks Chris, even though the source is second hand, it gives more sensible clarity to the situation than we've had from either club.

I'm a tad worried about our approach to things, and the toys out of the pram attitude if I'm honest.

[onewayup]

I think you are mistaken saying M.J and D.M are amateurs,these men are professionals in their respective fields,to call them amateurs is disrespectful
to them and the people behind them namely the fans. Think again,I totally support
The board.

[Spyman]

There's no smoke without fire, as the saying goes. He sounded well pissed off.

One swallow doesn't make a summer though...

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[divas]

I think you are mistaken saying M.J and D.M are amateurs,these men are professionals in their respective fields,to call them amateurs is disrespectful
to them and the people behind them namely the fans. Think again,I totally support
The board.

Let's just have an objective view for once, it can be done without attacking or belittling individuals....you are spot on, they are both professionals in their respective fields. MJ's expertise in re-structuring debt and financing has been a godsend. Dave specialised in community liaison - again his work in this area has been nothing short of fantastic. But are either of them salesmen? Have either of them brokered a deal like this in the past? That's not attacking either of them, but if it's not their skill set, which quite likely it's not, then shouldn't some expert guidance be sought to help?

For instance, I consider myself to be a professional in the IT field but I don't know the first thing about fixing a car....

[footifan]

I think you are mistaken saying M.J and D.M are amateurs,these men are professionals in their respective fields,to call them amateurs is disrespectful
to them and the people behind them namely the fans. Think again,I totally support
The board.

Do not be so sensitive onewayup... It is posted as another view from within the Rugby Club.
There seems to be a rift in negotiations at this stage, it is a new & major diversion from the norm for both clubs.
Both clubs need to protect their interests.

The Rugby club do after all own the ground & club house ( yes I know it is mortgaged ), they must be wary of being swamped by the Football club. Not in the healthiest of fiscal positions, it needs the best for its members.

The Football club have had bad experiences with landlords ( Cricket Club ) & with the exception of Stewart Davies, a series of bad owners & they are also wary. In a reasonable state financially, but hardly in a position to throw money into a bottomless pit.

My worry is the Football club needs a cast iron deal but it has to be suitable & workable to both parties, or it would not be prudent to proceed... Even if that delays the move back to Darlo.

[Henley]

Spot on, footifan.

[Beano]

Seconded.

[theoriginalfatcat]

Thirded.

[footifan]

Fourthed... OH hang on

[footifan]

Here is an update:

I think it is the short term that needs sorting out first

There was disagreement over many operational points which had never been discussed in depth and until these are sorted there cannot be progress. Income share is only one of them

I have been told about several of these prospective procedures and several were unworkable. I cannot see how any of them could have been agreed to without amendment. I would add that the initial list leaked to me did not mention income sharing and related more to pitch sharing

I agree It is up to both sides to agree and lock in procedures and policies that they are both happy with and will not lead to future resentment

The quicker both sides return to the table, put together an agenda, discuss each item thoroughly (and there are a significant number) the better. If they cannot do that and reach agreements on each one then yes I agree with you - it will probably be best if they go their separate ways

There seems to have been little depth to the negotiations and that is regrettable

[shawry]

I've mentioned it before, and I'll probably do so again in the future.

There seems little point in going further with this if the rugby club see us as a lodger, rather than a junior partner. Yes, I understand its their ground etc etc, and we should make sure that we never lose sight of that, and that they never lose out financially, however we need to know that we aren't there at their whim, and can be ejected after 25 years (which I know sounds a long way off)

[lo36789]

There seems little point in going further with this if the rugby club see us as a lodger, rather than a junior partner.

You can say it over and over again. I don't think that is the problem, the problem is that rugby club fear they are going to become the ones who are the lodgers and it is suddenly seen as Darlington Football Club with Rugby teams playing on other pitches.

[shawry]

There seems little point in going further with this if the rugby club see us as a lodger, rather than a junior partner.

You can say it over and over again. I don't think that is the problem, the problem is that rugby club fear they are going to become the ones who are the lodgers and it is suddenly seen as Darlington Football Club with Rugby teams playing on other pitches.

hence why this is bit is there

I understand its their ground etc etc, and we should make sure that we never lose sight of that, and that they never lose out financially, however we need to know that we aren't there at their whim, and can be ejected after 25 years

But the thing is, doesn't matter what else is agreed, if we are only working to a 25 year lease/agreement, then we are nothing more than lodgers, and from that point its never going to be our home.

[princes town]

I think you are mistaken saying M.J and D.M are amateurs,these men are professionals in their respective fields,to call them amateurs is disrespectful
to them and the people behind them namely the fans. Think again,I totally support
The board.

Let's just have an objective view for once, it can be done without attacking or belittling individuals....you are spot on, they are both professionals in their respective fields. MJ's expertise in re-structuring debt and financing has been a godsend. Dave specialised in community liaison - again his work in this area has been nothing short of fantastic. But are either of them salesmen? Have either of them brokered a deal like this in the past? That's not attacking either of them, but if it's not their skill set, which quite likely it's not, then shouldn't some expert guidance be sought to help?

For instance, I consider myself to be a professional in the IT field but I don't know the first thing about fixing a car....

completely agree. most professions are niche disciplines and have absolutely no relevance to activity outside the defined sphere. Contract negotiations are a specialist discipline.