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Worried

Post by D_F_C » Sun Oct 19, 2014 7:58 pm

I am not on here to blame or point an accusational finger at the board, but I am starting to get a little worried regarding the return to darlo.

I have heard small rumours that we can't afford it. The car park is a problem.

Even if we started now, would we even be ready for next season???

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Re: Worried

Post by HarrytheQuaker » Sun Oct 19, 2014 8:13 pm

I had the same conversation on Saturday about things been really quite on that front, I m afraid that this will be a non goer!!!! Im still of the opinion we need our own ground yes I know it's not viable unless we get a rich owner with a piece of land... I tottally agree we need to be back in darlo


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Re: Worried

Post by D_F_C » Sun Oct 19, 2014 8:32 pm

not really sure what the future holds for us.

If we can't afford it then we could potentially get stuck at Bishop, or if Bishop don't want us anymore, then what...???

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Re: Worried

Post by e4sby » Sun Oct 19, 2014 8:33 pm

The car park is the least of the worries, just needs someone to make decisions from the football club for it to progress further.

We do need to find a substantial sum of money for the move - I just don't know where it's going to come from.

I will be very surprised to see us starting the 2014/15 season at BM

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Re: Worried

Post by D_F_C » Sun Oct 19, 2014 8:38 pm

e4sby wrote:The car park is the least of the worries, just needs someone to make decisions from the football club for it to progress further.

We do need to find a substantial sum of money for the move - I just don't know where it's going to come from.

I will be very surprised to see us starting the 2014/15 season at BM
Do you have any further info you can share as you seem to be someone in the know from reading previous posts?

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Re: Worried

Post by Quakers1883 » Sun Oct 19, 2014 8:42 pm

I hope we do manage to pull off the move to BM, I'm impressed with what FCUM have achieved so far

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Re: Worried

Post by e4sby » Sun Oct 19, 2014 8:46 pm

D_F_C wrote:
e4sby wrote:The car park is the least of the worries, just needs someone to make decisions from the football club for it to progress further.

We do need to find a substantial sum of money for the move - I just don't know where it's going to come from.

I will be very surprised to see us starting the 2014/15 season at BM
Do you have any further info you can share as you seem to be someone in the know from reading previous posts?
Nope sorry that's pretty much all I can say on the matter

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Post by HarrytheQuaker » Sun Oct 19, 2014 9:25 pm

e4sby wrote:The car park is the least of the worries, just needs someone to make decisions from the football club for it to progress further.

We do need to find a substantial sum of money for the move - I just don't know where it's going to come from.

I will be very surprised to see us starting the 2014/15 season at BM
2014/15?????????


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Re: Worried

Post by e4sby » Sun Oct 19, 2014 9:26 pm

I meant 2015/16.....

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Re: Worried

Post by darlo reborn » Sun Oct 19, 2014 9:29 pm

If we are not at BM next season then I can see no future for the club as crowds at bishop would dwindle further meaning less money to get anything done anywhere and so restrict the playing budget as well.

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Re: Worried

Post by e4sby » Sun Oct 19, 2014 9:33 pm

We could well be at BM for next season - wheels are in motion.... Just my personnel opinion that we might struggle to be

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Re: Worried

Post by Robbie Painter » Sun Oct 19, 2014 9:39 pm

This is what happens when you allow informational black holes to appear. On twitter the word is the whole move is off due to total £.

Any sort of update, general or specific, positive or negative, would be welcome at this stage.

As indeed would be AGM notification, which is also delayed for reasons unknown.

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Re: Worried

Post by Quaker0006 » Sun Oct 19, 2014 9:47 pm

I cant understand where £1m comes from. Does anyone know what stage of the pyramid the stadium was based on? Surely we should be downgrading and doing whatever we can to get back there. There is existing seating, and we have our own to take with us. With the addition of fencing and turnstiles surely can be a million miles away from this level and one above? Would planning permission be stopped if we didn't improve car park / access roads?

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Re: Worried

Post by lo36789 » Sun Oct 19, 2014 10:20 pm

Where did you pluck £1million from?

I personally haven't heard any of this stuff. I am lead to believe work is on going regarding the specifications with various stakeholders

Robbie is right though. With silence comes rumour and that rumour is invariably negative.

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Re: Worried

Post by Quaker0006 » Sun Oct 19, 2014 10:28 pm

Was quoted on another thread by someone I believe would be in the know. Also heard 850k myself from someone I would generally believe on these sort of matters. Of course it might be rubbish but theres rumours doing the rounds on twitter also.

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Re: Worried

Post by Ingleby » Sun Oct 19, 2014 10:28 pm

Surely there are lots of grants etc to add to the funding. Other clubs have received huge grants, I thought this was one of the reasons of being a Community Club.

This communication thing or lack of it has never gone away. Nobody says jackshit.
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Re: Worried

Post by roadrunner » Sun Oct 19, 2014 10:40 pm

Wont be at bishop next season i can tell you that
cos sunderland reserves and under/21 are playing there.
Dont think there,s room for 4 teams.
Plus there paying 3 times more .
Shildon ?

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Re: Worried

Post by AndyPark » Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:15 am

Heard over the weekend that we can't afford BM and that we're applying for a groundshare with Shildon for next season.

Don't know how sure this is though.

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Re: Worried

Post by fozzovmurton » Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:56 am

AndyPark wrote:Heard over the weekend that we can't afford BM and that we're applying for a groundshare with Shildon for next season.

Don't know how sure this is though.
Is Shildon graded for Step 3/4 though?
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Re: Worried

Post by Bogratsteve » Mon Oct 20, 2014 6:35 am

Let's hope the board are seeing all these rumours and come out with a statement either way, if not attendances will drop even further.

Regardless it's been a long time since we heard anything on the move.

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Re: Worried

Post by piggy » Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:05 am

Very disconcerting to hear these rumours, I hope there isn't any substance in them.

As posted earlier it would be great if the club could release a statement pretty sharpish (its needed anyway) as I feel the longer they don't this will gain more momentum.

I really hope we dont end up as footballing nomads- the attendances will suffer even further- its pretty depressing to think about it, particularly with things going so well on the pitch at present.

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Re: Worried

Post by e4sby » Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:15 am

As far as I'm aware the cost of the move is over £1m. DFC and DRFC are entitled to grants which make up of approx a quarter of what is required.

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Re: Worried

Post by LLB » Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:31 am

Dean Street was graded at Evo Stik 1st Div level when we were there but that was a number of years ago. It was not graded to Evo Stik prem standard at that time as we were forceably demoted to 1st div level.

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Re: Worried

Post by lo36789 » Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:39 am

Shildon isn't graded high enough. I thought we learned that when we handed them £15k two years ago and then realised we couldn't go there.

I'm at a loss as to what can cost £1million I really am. The bare minimum to get back is a leased stand, hard standing, a perimeter fence, turnstiles and portacabin changing rooms.

The first and last item are rented so it is a marginal cost which the move back should cover. The hardstanding and perimeter fence feel like something which you wouldn't need a specialist stadium contractor to do (surely any building firm from Darlo could do it?). The turnstiles, are there not any we can pick up on the cheap? Somebody, somewhere must be redeveloping a ground!

I don't believe that parking is compulsory - otherwise how do any city/town centre teams survive who don't have big car parks? I mean if we had moved back to Feethams what would we have done there - there was barely any parking room there!?

Until we get official word I am going to struggle to believe this. Someone else please find me the extra expenditure and where it would be?

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Re: Worried

Post by Darlobp » Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:47 am

My thoughts are, I have been worried for a while now, whilst we are now breaking even our biggest problems are the lack of a war chest in lieu of a rich owner. From the dir situation the fans found ourselves in I`m proud we still have a club when looking back there are some big cock-ups like, we lost ground with the Craig McKenna share issue debacle where we could have raised a >500k war chest and all people wanted was a bit of paper to say they "owned a tiny piece DFC" , we walked away from the arena and give the tenancy up without a fight, by going bust but taking on historic debt we are still paying for our past which is holding us back and unable to move on a new.

It really IS like starting a new club, so finding a sustainable home in Darlington has got to be our priority, this may take ten years from our last game at the arena. Long slog ahead with many a twist and turn.
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Re: Worried

Post by Robbie Painter » Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:48 am

e4sby wrote:As far as I'm aware the cost of the move is over £1m. DFC and DRFC are entitled to grants which make up of approx a quarter of what is required.
So £750k+. May as well be £7.5m. No chance of raising that type of money, nor I'd imagine of raising finance towards it. Would be fascinated to see £ breakdown because as lo36789 it doesn't seem on the high side but costs can quickly escalate.

If we have to leave Bishop at end of season that would just top off the bad news.

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Re: Worried

Post by lo36789 » Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:12 am

Darlobp wrote:we lost ground with the Craig McKenna share issue debacle where we could have raised a >500k war chest and all people wanted was a bit of paper to say they "owned a tiny piece DFC"
Wrong. We didn't raise enough money as per the terms of the Crowdcube. As it transpired RS wouldn't let the debt go anyway so we weren't ever going to get close to the £2million required to settle his balance.
Darlobp wrote:we walked away from the arena and give the tenancy up without a fight
Wrong. We took an economical decision, based on the running costs of the arena to move away. I don't know how Mowden are managing to cover all the costs - but their war chest must surely help.
Darlobp wrote:by going bust but taking on historic debt we are still paying for our past which is holding us back and unable to move on a new.
Correct. Then again we must be getting darn close to break even with regard to transfer clauses and the actual cost of that debt (was it about £180k?). Since we bought the debt David Stockdale made his 50th Fulham appearance and was sold to Brighton, Dan Burn gave us £75k for his first game and has since made 22 further appearances for Fulham AND Michael Smith was sold by Charlton. If we managed to break even with regard to that has there been a real cost of taking on that debt?

Misconception, after misconception. This is the thing that really astounds me that even people who frequent this board have the reasons behind decisions wrong.

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Re: Worried

Post by Beano » Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:39 am

The lack of communication regarding the monetary side of the club is very frustrating.

How much, if anything, do we owe on the historic debt?

How much do we actually need to complete the Blackwell Meadows move?

It seems that we never learn the lessons of engaging supporters (and all other stakeholders) with transparent communications.

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Re: Worried

Post by charlie » Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:56 am

Has anybody contacted the board directly and asked questions? Regarding our financial status Martin Jesper is pretty upfront when it comes to fans forums.

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Re: Worried

Post by BlackandwhiteBOB » Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:59 am

Beano wrote:The lack of communication regarding the monetary side of the club is very frustrating.

How much, if anything, do we owe on the historic debt?

How much do we actually need to complete the Blackwell Meadows move?

It seems that we never learn the lessons of engaging supporters (and all other stakeholders) with transparent communications.
Some of this is somewhat unfair. Regular financial updates are given out with regards to the historic debt at fans forums. I'm sure at the next forum this will be updated further, I don't imagine there will be much left.

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