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How crucial is it to finish 2nd ?

Post by theoriginalfatcat » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:11 pm

To me it seems really important. If we get 2nd place, we get the semi at home (one match remember) and if we get through that, also the final.

No travel, home advantage, big crowd, build up momentum and all the rest.

The trouble is our away form seems better than home - and the league table states that in total, 9 teams have better away records than home, with 1 team (Burscough) being equal. I'm talking wins only here B.T.W, not total points, as the playoffs are a win/lose situation.

So it would seem in this league home advantage doesn't count for too much.

Still, 2nd place in my opinion is a must.
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Re: How crucial is it to finish 2nd ?

Post by Sidarlo » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:19 pm

first i think we just need to mathmatically get a playoff place locked in and go from their. If the playoffs are up here the crowds will be bigger.

Final would be a sellout, semi probs would be 1500 +

Ideally i would like us finishing 2nd but it would not be in the end of the world if we didnt

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Re: How crucial is it to finish 2nd ?

Post by swadquaker » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:24 pm

The original headline worries me. A top 5 position is likely but by no means certain. I sense too many chickens being counted.

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Re: How crucial is it to finish 2nd ?

Post by theoriginalfatcat » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:35 pm

Point taken SQ, however if we cock up from here with the fixtures we have remaining then something has gone momentously wrong.
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Re: How crucial is it to finish 2nd ?

Post by Maurice_Peddelty » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:45 pm

Our strongest run of form has been with Jordan Robinson and Leon Scott in the centre of midfield and we are currently without both. In my view their absence on Wednesday had a big bearing on our performance. Our priority must be to pick-up points as best we can to keep us in the top 5 and to get Jordan and Leon fit and back in the team in time for the play-offs. In my view, without those two, we will find it very difficult to progress in the play-offs regardless of whether we are home or away.

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Re: How crucial is it to finish 2nd ?

Post by poppyfield » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:51 pm

To be certain of a playoff place we need 85 points (or 84 plus goal difference) from a total of 89 available, so we have 6 games to get 14 points.
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Re: How crucial is it to finish 2nd ?

Post by lo36789 » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:01 pm

poppyfield wrote:To be certain of a playoff place we need 85 points (or 84 plus goal difference) from a total of 89 available, so we have 6 games to get 14 points.
Not sure how you worked that out?

Bamber Bridge can get 90 points this season, due to their game in hand. Everyone above them bar Ramsbottom can get more than that

We need 20 points to guarantee a play off position from 8 games, personally reckon as long as we win 5 games (including Farsley at home) we will get there.

Just realised how you worked it out. We play 42 games this season not 40.

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Re: How crucial is it to finish 2nd ?

Post by Sidarlo » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:10 pm

i think we will be fine,

we have only dropped a couple of points all season to the bottom half of the table teams, (except northwich), we still have wakefield to play twice and have a relatively easy run in

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Re: How crucial is it to finish 2nd ?

Post by poppyfield » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:16 pm

lo36789 wrote:
poppyfield wrote:To be certain of a playoff place we need 85 points (or 84 plus goal difference) from a total of 89 available, so we have 6 games to get 14 points.
Not sure how you worked that out?

Bamber Bridge can get 90 points this season, due to their game in hand. Everyone above them bar Ramsbottom can get more than that

We need 20 points to guarantee a play off position from 8 games, personally reckon as long as we win 5 games (including Farsley at home) we will get there.

Just realised how you worked it out. We play 42 games this season not 40.
You are right, i must have wiped the Curzon games from my memory :lol:
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Re: How crucial is it to finish 2nd ?

Post by shawry » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:51 pm

Sidarlo wrote:i think we will be fine,

we have only dropped a couple of points all season to the bottom half of the table teams, (except northwich), we still have wakefield to play twice and have a relatively easy run in
this is what concerns me, our form against other playoff contenders is poor, doesn't matter if we are home or away, we need to improve.

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Re: How crucial is it to finish 2nd ?

Post by theoriginalfatcat » Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:13 pm

shawry wrote: doesn't matter if we are home or away, we need to improve.

Yes. I've seen a few games this season when I've thought "they're better than us"
and a few more games when things have seemed equal. We do need to improve by adding to the squad and by getting more out of some of our better players.

Regardless of whether we get stuck ( :roll: ) in this league or not.
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Re: How crucial is it to finish 2nd ?

Post by Maurice_Peddelty » Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:19 pm

shawry wrote:
Sidarlo wrote:i think we will be fine,

we have only dropped a couple of points all season to the bottom half of the table teams, (except northwich), we still have wakefield to play twice and have a relatively easy run in
this is what concerns me, our form against other playoff contenders is poor, doesn't matter if we are home or away, we need to improve.

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Look at the line-ups against Farsley, Rammy (H&A), Curzon (H&A), Lancaster (H&A) and you'll see that the Robinson/Scott central midfield partnership didn't feature in any of them.

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Re: How crucial is it to finish 2nd ?

Post by lo36789 » Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:39 pm

Maurice_Peddelty wrote:Farsley, Rammy (H&A), Curzon (H&A), Lancaster (H&A)
Am I right in thinking that on all occasions that partnership was replaced with a lightweight option.

From memory Rammy, Lancaster & Curzon (Away) involved Curtis Edwards and Curzon (H) was Lewis Wing.

No idea about the other Farsley, Lancaster or Ramsbottom games.

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Re: How crucial is it to finish 2nd ?

Post by lo36789 » Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:40 pm

shawry wrote:
Sidarlo wrote:i think we will be fine,

we have only dropped a couple of points all season to the bottom half of the table teams, (except northwich), we still have wakefield to play twice and have a relatively easy run in
this is what concerns me, our form against other playoff contenders is poor, doesn't matter if we are home or away, we need to improve.

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I assume you mean concerns you if we get in to the play-offs? In terms of getting there as Si mentions we have a run in against teams we have beaten all season.

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Re: How crucial is it to finish 2nd ?

Post by shawry » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:01 pm

lo36789 wrote:
shawry wrote:
Sidarlo wrote:i think we will be fine,

we have only dropped a couple of points all season to the bottom half of the table teams, (except northwich), we still have wakefield to play twice and have a relatively easy run in
this is what concerns me, our form against other playoff contenders is poor, doesn't matter if we are home or away, we need to improve.

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I assume you mean concerns you if we get in to the play-offs? In terms of getting there as Si mentions we have a run in against teams we have beaten all season.
yeah I fully expect playoffs, but our performances against the teams we will have to beat once there don't inspire confidence. Doesn't matter about what team we fielded, we should have performed better than we have

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Re: How crucial is it to finish 2nd ?

Post by joejaques » Fri Mar 21, 2014 8:42 pm

Second place is bloody vital to all us exiles, otherwise we'll be wasting our train tickets to Darlo & paying again for returns to somewhere or other else. :roll:
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Re: How crucial is it to finish 2nd ?

Post by Twintowers » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:15 pm

joejaques wrote:Second place is bloody vital to all us exiles, otherwise we'll be wasting our train tickets to Darlo & paying again for returns to somewhere or other else. :roll:
Of course you could always wait till the seasons over and book your tickets as required. :roll: :roll: :roll:

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Re: How crucial is it to finish 2nd ?

Post by AndyPark » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:43 pm

Booking in advance saves a fortune when travelling from a distance.

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Re: How crucial is it to finish 2nd ?

Post by Darl-Zero » Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:47 am

Give me a crunch match away every time. Quite happy with 4th place! E.g. Barnet, Welling, Spenny ... Curzon.

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Re: How crucial is it to finish 2nd ?

Post by lo36789 » Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:07 am

AndyPark wrote:Booking in advance saves a fortune when travelling from a distance.
By that logic people will have booked transport/accommodation in London before we had beaten Gateshead in the semi-final?

Booking in advance isn't exactly recommended when it comes to play-off/knockout matches!

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Re: How crucial is it to finish 2nd ?

Post by super_les_mcjannet » Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:31 am

Home advantage would always be something you would want especially with a midweek Semi final.

Although form suggests away game would be better for us football wise.

I want to finish 2nd as it will mean our form is good going into the play-offs the plus point of being at home in terms of midweek travel.

I hoped to win the league at the start of the season, after about 4 months I would have settled for playoffs. We just need to get back on form starting today against Prescot Cables.

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Re: How crucial is it to finish 2nd ?

Post by MikeinBlack2 » Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:56 am

super_les_mcjannet wrote:Home advantage would always be something you would want especially with a midweek Semi final.

Although form suggests away game would be better for us football wise.

I want to finish 2nd as it will mean our form is good going into the play-offs the plus point of being at home in terms of midweek travel.

I hoped to win the league at the start of the season, after about 4 months I would have settled for playoffs. We just need to get back on form starting today against Prescot Cables.
This sums up our position very nicely.
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Re: How crucial is it to finish 2nd ?

Post by super_les_mcjannet » Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:13 am

I missed the summing up bit of that really 2nd place doesn't bother me as a place in the league but form does and we need to be on form so 2nd place has to be the target.

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Re: How crucial is it to finish 2nd ?

Post by joejaques » Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:36 pm

AndyPark wrote:Booking in advance saves a fortune when travelling from a distance.
Beat me to it Andy. Would cost me 2 or three times as much if I was booking just a couple of days in advance. :roll:
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Re: How crucial is it to finish 2nd ?

Post by theoriginalfatcat » Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:52 pm

Thinking about the play offs, it was heart breaking in 99/00 when we finished 4th and lost our promotion place (4 teams went up) to the team that finished 5th.

This twisted logic would state that if you finish outside of the top 2 you are kind of getting a bonus!

I still want 2nd though.......
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Re: How crucial is it to finish 2nd ?

Post by CrazyDarlo » Sat Mar 22, 2014 7:34 pm

Were is the final played?

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Post by lo36789 » Sat Mar 22, 2014 7:44 pm

CrazyDarlo wrote:Were is the final played?
Home of the highest placed team.

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Re: How crucial is it to finish 2nd ?

Post by Dany Krap » Sat Mar 22, 2014 7:44 pm

CrazyDarlo wrote:Were is the final played?
Don't you read the other threads on here?

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