The numbers ( don't add up ... )
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The numbers ( don't add up ... )
I'm missing something here, but where's the 3million the chairman has "put in" of the last two years actually gone and what exactly is our current financial state ?
I've no idea of footballer wagers but let's say 25 players at £30k a year ... Some more some less ? Total £750,000 a year
Income - broad brush I think between season tickets and gate fees £500,000 a year.
Now there are costs of running the club certainly but lets assume that the carvery, bar, shop, program's etc etc just breaks even. I'm adding the backroom promotion and marketing staff into that bucket - if that area doesn't make money simply shut it down, no carvery, no bar etc etc ... Well why would you, just focus on the football side ?
So we at at £250,000 a year loss and add to that ground maintenance, office staff, etc etc
But off that comes player fees ( big one from fulham !) Wembley income ( no idea ?)
I just don't get how you get to a £3 million cash cost over two years ...
Feel free to fire away ... Maybe I'm miles off on salaries ?
I've no idea of footballer wagers but let's say 25 players at £30k a year ... Some more some less ? Total £750,000 a year
Income - broad brush I think between season tickets and gate fees £500,000 a year.
Now there are costs of running the club certainly but lets assume that the carvery, bar, shop, program's etc etc just breaks even. I'm adding the backroom promotion and marketing staff into that bucket - if that area doesn't make money simply shut it down, no carvery, no bar etc etc ... Well why would you, just focus on the football side ?
So we at at £250,000 a year loss and add to that ground maintenance, office staff, etc etc
But off that comes player fees ( big one from fulham !) Wembley income ( no idea ?)
I just don't get how you get to a £3 million cash cost over two years ...
Feel free to fire away ... Maybe I'm miles off on salaries ?
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Schoolboy error - missed the management team £100,000 ?
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For starters we've gone through 5 managers, 3 of which have had their contracts paid up.
We've also gone through more than just one squad of players.
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We've also gone through more than just one squad of players.
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On Sunday April 29, 2012 at 10:25 pm, Darlo Cockney wrote:Sadly some people have nothing better to do that invent rumours.
We will be playing at the arena again next season - fact.
Quakerz - if you actually attended games and spoke to people you might actually find our facts, rather than spreading s*** on this board.
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I do think the op is conservative with figures however I also think Raj is quoting over the top figures. In all fairness it's probably somewhere in-between, not as much and not as less IMO!Thebeancounter wrote:Schoolboy error - missed the management team £100,000 ?
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Spyman wrote:For starters we've gone through 5 managers, 3 of which have had their contracts paid up.
We've also gone through more than just one squad of players.
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Agree on the manager numbers ( but most have been his own appointments and he's agreed the contractual terms )
Not so sure on the squad - you'd only have x number of players on the books - some come, some go - you should only pay those in the squad ( unless your paying players contracts up too ?)
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Anyone know what we made from Fulham ? And what Wembley generated ?
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And we paid up a lot of contracts from the Todd/Staunton spells.Thebeancounter wrote:Spyman wrote:For starters we've gone through 5 managers, 3 of which have had their contracts paid up.
We've also gone through more than just one squad of players.
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Agree on the manager numbers ( but most have been his own appointments and he's agreed the contractual terms )
Not so sure on the squad - you'd only have x number of players on the books - some come, some go - you should only pay those in the squad ( unless your paying players contracts up too ?)
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On Sunday April 29, 2012 at 10:25 pm, Darlo Cockney wrote:Sadly some people have nothing better to do that invent rumours.
We will be playing at the arena again next season - fact.
Quakerz - if you actually attended games and spoke to people you might actually find our facts, rather than spreading s*** on this board.
DC
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Wembley generated a false dawnThebeancounter wrote:Anyone know what we made from Fulham ? And what Wembley generated ?
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The average salary of a L2 footballer was £49.6k in 2006
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/4898392.stm
I think you are out on the wage cost.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/4898392.stm
I think you are out on the wage cost.
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For every 40k player we have had there was also a 20k in the team so over all it maybe a bit more than you estimated but I think you have underestimated income from sponsorship, boxes so you will not be a million miles out, certainly not £80 grand a month out.
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Grimsby lost 900k last year. You can make up sugar coated maths all you want but the costs are astronomical to run a professional club, and the income at this level is minimal.
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Thanks for that its really constructive, a big help. Cheers.Quakerz wrote:Grimsby lost 900k last year. You can make up sugar coated maths all you want but the costs are astronomical to run a professional club, and the income at this level is minimal.
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To be fair to the original post, I fail to see why Darlo always fares so badly financially when other clubs survive on similar/smaller gates.
The stadium argument is a bit of a red herring IMO as we always struggled when we played at Feethams.
A lot of it is due to who we've had running the club over the last 30 or so years.
The stadium argument is a bit of a red herring IMO as we always struggled when we played at Feethams.
A lot of it is due to who we've had running the club over the last 30 or so years.
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Bottom line is nearly all BSP clubs lose a lot of money each season.Thebeancounter wrote:Thanks for that its really constructive, a big help. Cheers.Quakerz wrote:Grimsby lost 900k last year. You can make up sugar coated maths all you want but the costs are astronomical to run a professional club, and the income at this level is minimal.
I did an extensive summary of costs that clubs have to pay out that your average fan doesn't always consider, and it is easy to see why our income only covers our overheads and not the playing budget.
As you can appreciate, I don't want to repost it every single time somebody different posts "how can we lose so much money, where does it all go?", which is basically every day.
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York were in a similar position a few years ago and now are getting 3000 plus each week so maybe there is hope (could well be wishful thinking)
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York are doing well at the moment and the McGills have done a good job. However, the proposed stadium move to Monks Cross (think we are too far out of town) is a grave mistake.njb wrote:York were in a similar position a few years ago and now are getting 3000 plus each week so maybe there is hope (could well be wishful thinking)
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Quakerz wrote:Bottom line is nearly all BSP clubs lose a lot of money each season.Thebeancounter wrote:Thanks for that its really constructive, a big help. Cheers.Quakerz wrote:Grimsby lost 900k last year. You can make up sugar coated maths all you want but the costs are astronomical to run a professional club, and the income at this level is minimal.
I did an extensive summary of costs that clubs have to pay out that your average fan doesn't always consider, and it is easy to see why our income only covers our overheads and not the playing budget.
As you can appreciate, I don't want to repost it every single time somebody different posts "how can we lose so much money, where does it all go?", which is basically every day.
Did you ... Could you direct me to that thread ?
Many thanks.
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Certainly - I'm not saying I'm 100% right with my assumptions, and it is based on Raj telling the truth that it's costing him 80k a month to sub the club, which is roughly equivalent to the wage bill. Ergo, income covers overheads but not the playing budget.
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I can't find the post that I was referring to.
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No probs - but there is no way he's putting £80k a month in, that's pure fiction.Quakerz wrote:I can't find the post that I was referring to.
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what if we slash our outgoings and raj stays as chairman in name only. would the pepercorn rent for the stadium stand because i can't see £200 per week being to much of a drain and could not see it being bettered anywhere else . i'm getting a bit sick of the DNR attitude lots off us are adopting. i know we're all down ,sick as tuck but it's starting to look like no one gives a toss. i know this is not the case,but i'm sure thats the impression WE are giving out and if thats our fight over its been a bit of a wimper from us FANS so we can't expect much if anything from anybody else . lets make some noise,ask some questions and hopefully breath a bit of life back into the old girl, even if it does amount to a last hoorah.